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Iranians don't NEED any external motivation to riot. The current Shia Theocracy that runs Iran is completely insane and incompetent and cruel.
These are just propaganda words. Could say the same thing about Israel, US, many countries.
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Hmm, interesting. HN has long been a site dominated by Zionists, and that was reflected in the type of commentary here. Your post, and the 3 others wh8ch responded to you, are clearly bemoaning the fact that even on this bastion of your world view, you're getting strong pushback. I guess that's what years of widely publicized genocide, plus illegal wars of aggression (lost count by now - Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Lebanon…
Please don't poison HN with unfounded assertions like this. HN has never been "dominated" by any one group or ideology. HN is a large sample of people around the world who share an interest in tech and intellectually gratifying topics.
On most issues there is a normal distribution of opinion with the centre/majority skewing a bit more left-libertarian than the mainstream.
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> Then you can also fairly say they've killed billions of people No, you can’t. One, it exceeds Iran’s population. Two, no known method of estimation produces a reasonable guess at those levels. > there is no credible source in this scenario There are. There aren’t if you assume ex ante they don’t exist, or if you’re committed to ignoring them.
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The downplaying of Iran’s capabilities is a weird kind of racism IMHO. In the modern view, Iranians have been categorized as “brown” so people lump them together with Somalians and Afghans. But Iran is a technologically and politically sophisticated country. In terms of the Civ tech tree, it’s higher than any middle eastern country except Israel.
I thought Iranians were white? I've met many Iranians that were white.
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There is probably a hardline faction within Iran that still thinks it gains from further bombing and forced isolation.
Why would Iran end up further isolated due to this war, and out of escalation? (your sentence is slightly ambiguous so I assume that you are referring to it.) If it successfully asserts control over the Strait as it seems to presently be doing, it should be able to negotiate a peace favorable to itself. Even with the status quo, I don't know how that figures into things, but the US has temporarily lifted sanctions on…
They've already gotten one concession in terms of this temporary sanctions relief, even as Trump frames it as a domestic emergency measure and repeatedly declares total victory each day of the conflict. They also got him to back off on targeting their power plants by promising to retaliate in kind against the power infrastructure of US aligned states in range.
I think the US has the ability to beat Iran in a fight, but it does not have the preparation or the resolve to do so at this time, because this is some halfcocked nonsense plan with amorphous goals that they thought would be over in a week.
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When the Nazi regime proliferated, do you think the allies considered it of their own desire or their own making? Should they have prevented themselves from getting dragged into WW2? Or was it good they allowed themselves to get dragged into WW2 and disarm the Nazi regime? Suppose the Allies just moved away and made "lebensraum" for the Nazi regime, would you have called it "standing their ground and not letting them…
WW2 had a clear bad side. This conflict doesn't have any clear good or bad sides. The only expansionist party in any case in this conflict is Israel.
Watching from the sidelines disapprovingly, while benefiting in this sense from the US/Israeli mission objectives, and even being "willing to go as far as" effectively posing in a security theater role (since a single shot fired would imply abortion of the mission), wasting tax payer money on symbolic gestures, is what I protested.
But it matters little now, European countries are starting to turn around and think a little deeper than the b-hurt mentioned earlier.
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WW2 had a clear bad side. This conflict doesn't have any clear good or bad sides. The only expansionist party in any case in this conflict is Israel.
I'm explaining why a European holds this position, Iran approaching nuclear weapons capability, approaching ICBM launch capability, approaching re-entry vehicle capability is the "lebensraum" we shouldn't tolerate. Watching from the sidelines disapprovingly, while benefiting in this sense from the US/Israeli mission objectives, and even being "willing to go as far as" effectively posing in a security theater role (si…
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“ The bombing, combined with other simultaneous Israeli military actions in Gaza, killed at least 68,000 Palestinians (mostly civilians), which is between 3% and 4% of the total population of the territory, and damaged or destroyed Palestinian schools, hospitals, mosques, churches, and other civilian infrastructure including refugee camps.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Gaza_St... You can play…
In October 7th 2023, about 11% of the residents of Kibbutz Be'eri - 130 out of 1200 - were murdered, raped, tortures and/or kidnapped into Gaza: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be%27eri_massacre
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In October 7th 2023, about 11% of the residents of Kibbutz Be'eri - 130 out of 1200 - were murdered, raped, tortures and/or kidnapped into Gaza: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be%27eri_massacre
translation: Uh oh, he has irrefutable evidence everything I just argued for 5 replies was a lie. Quick! Change the subject to “two wrongs make a right” I know, I’ll equate 120 people with tens of thousands of murdered children.
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Maintaining peace is not the same as restoring peace. Perhaps the American executive should have extrapolated the consequences of their actions using a model of the real world and not the fever dream they seem to be in. I am all for the Europeans standing their ground and not letting themselves get dragged into a conflagration not of their desiring nor of their making. Trump and co are finding out that FAFO goes both…
When the Nazi regime proliferated, do you think the allies considered it of their own desire or their own making? Should they have prevented themselves from getting dragged into WW2? Or was it good they allowed themselves to get dragged into WW2 and disarm the Nazi regime? Suppose the Allies just moved away and made "lebensraum" for the Nazi regime, would you have called it "standing their ground and not letting them…