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Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by GeorgeTirebiter »

cmorgan31 wrote: post #321
GeorgeTirebiter wrote: post #235

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Karparthy worked for Elon for, what, 5 years? How did he do it, if Elon is Ivan the Terrible?

Mate, wouldn’t it make sense that these rules are applied via hierarchy? If Elon respects Karparthy he almost certainly gave him a longer leash and Karparthy’s output was strong enough to not warrant intervention. It’s clear he did not want to stay long term so I’m not sure this is a strong line of thinking.

It's possible. I don't know. My tone comes off as support Elon, and I do not, at all. I've seen first-hand almost all of these tactics while I was at . I'm observing that some people seem to do OK at Elon's companies, and for many years, and never seem to get the boot or be abused in other ways. Therefore, Elon is probably not quite as bad a manager as he is made out to be. This is all I am saying. Since I have firsthand knowledge, I believe my opinion has value. Those that disagree? Show me your Source of Truth. Thank you.

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Post by dmarcos »

bdangubic wrote: post #588
dmarcos wrote: post #530

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So people spent 60k on a cybertruck they don’t want? Do you believe that?

look around your house and see how much shit you got that you really want(ed). great salesman (and elon is the best in the history of the civilization) will sell you shit you never thought you wanted :)

The motivation to buy something is always because you want it. That a product doesn’t meet your needs or expectations later is a different story. What’s your evidence to claim that people spending 60k in a cybertruck don’t want it? What’s your evidence to make a similar claim or the opposite for any other purchase? Without evidence it feels you are making baseless claims about peoples motivations.

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Post by andai »

twodave wrote: post #175

Used Grok for the first time, in a Tesla, and for that purpose it actually made a lot of sense. It’s very well-integrated into the car’s systems and communication style while driving tends to be very tweet-esque. I think this is the niche they should lean into more (live assistant, e.g. Jarvis type stuff) and leave the more agentic niche to folks like Anthropic. Maybe even delegate more difficult or background tasks…

What's the difference between Jarvis and agentic?

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Post by nixon_why69 »

beeflet wrote: post #607
baublet wrote: post #552

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Are you suggesting that academia and all of the other actual places people who learn and know stuff for a living being full of leftists is some conspiracy against you and the right wing? Touch grass, my dude. These are the thoughts of someone who spends too much time on X.

I don't use X or Grok. The fact that the elite and knowledge workers in this country are generally more left-leaning is pretty evident. The right wingers in these ranks make up a distinctive subgroup. These are the thoughts of pretty much everyone everywhere in the country and this becomes apparent if you ask randoms on the street, or you have attended college lectures, or have used a dictionary, or have read wikiped…

> The US is losing intellectually and technologically to countries like China. I call into question the general legitimacy of our academic and journalistic institutions.

China has tons of green energy, high speed rail and frequently extols the virtues of socialism.

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

dang wrote: post #603
Ar-Curunir wrote: post #449

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Elon is literally a political figure. How is one supposed to discuss his actions without invoking his politics?

discuss != battle

In the context of what Elon has done, the only real discussion should be condemnation. If that leads to Elon fans feeling embattled, well, they should get better role models to look up to.

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Post by bobsmooth »

beeflet wrote: post #493
gopher_space wrote: post #443

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Grok could only be conceived by someone who doesn't understand the dependency chart re science & the humanities. It's impossible to build a rational, accurate model that isn't also egalitarian. I'm going to blame Randall Munroe for this, and assume Philosophy was dating his mom back when he drew that science "purity" strip.

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That your comment is grey but has no replies speaks volumes.

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Post by bobsmooth »

kstrauser wrote: post #546
Imnimo wrote: post #125

I think the problem for xAI is that it can really only hire two types of researchers - people who are philosophically aligned with Elon, and people who are solely money-motivated (not a judgment). But frontier AI research is a field with a lot of top talent who have strong philosophical motivation for their work, and those philosophies are often completely at odds with Elon. OpenAI and Anthropic have philosophical ni…

I’ve heard the haha-but-serious joke numerous times that you can’t have a security department that’s not trans and furry friendly. Thing is, I completely believe that. Those groups are disproportionately represented among the security community, and I personally would not work somewhere that my friends in those groups would feel unwelcome. That’s a quite common sentiment even among us straight cis non-furry men. Well…

That's only because autism is common amongst those groups and you can't build anything worthwhile these days without a lot of autism.

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Post by rincebrain »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #505
vessenes wrote: post #314

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Zoning is one area that’s better in space. And power density for solar is another. I don’t get your mining analogy though - a non upgradable data center pod is either going to pay off its capital costs or it won’t. Once it has, any revenue is close to 100% profit. 10k demand increase is the opposite of mining dynamics: there you get a 10k supply increase that the price has to support, in combination with more efficie…

Zoning is one area that’s better in space. Not really, though? The idea that Earth-based data centers need to be built in populated, developed areas is indeed dumb, yet it seems to be inexplicably baked into everyone's assumptions. In particular, the small discrete data centers that Musk wants to launch could go anywhere on Earth. They could be powered by local PV arrays and batteries, they can be cooled by smaller r…

The problem is that you need humans to run datacenters, and so that puts ceilings on how far away from humans you can put them without the humans no longer being willing to commute there.

And the cost of building all the infra to support humans living in an area that humans are not already populating is enormous.

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Post by dyates »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #257
atonse wrote: post #217

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> I cannot understand at all somebody, who is not Elon, liking/preferring "grokipedia" as idea or implementation. Really? Have you used AI to write documentation for software? Or used AI to generate deep research reports by scouring the internet? Because, while both can have some issues (but so do humans), AI already does extremely well at both those tasks (multiple models do, look at the various labs' Deep Research…

> Have you used AI to write documentation for software? Hi. I have edited AI-generated first drafts of documentation -- in the last few months, so we are not talking about old and moldy models -- and describing the performance as "extremely well" is exceedingly generous. Large language models write documentation the same way they do all tasks, i.e., through statistical computation of the most likely output. So, in no…

>LLMs are not doing searches, they are doing statistical computation of likely results.

This was true of ChatGPT in 2022, but any modern platform that advertises a "deep research" feature provides its LLMs with tools to actually do a web search, pull the results it finds into context and cite them in the generated text.

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Post by ActorNightly »

localghost3000 wrote: post #492

Musk sounds like such a nightmare to work for. I legitimately don't understand why anyone would put up with him. What's the appeal?

Here is a test - go find a current Trump supporter IRL and let him know what you think about him. I bet you will feel like an asshole, especially in a social setting for being cringe as fuck.

At the end of the day, most people have internal thoughts about stuff, and some post those thoughts on the internet, but in the real world, they subconsciously still believe that none of this stuff really matters. Its the same for a lot of people that work for Tesla/Space X and so on. The appeal of being part of that, working on novel stuff, is a lot more present than any morality associated with something that most people are disconnected with on a day to day level.

This is why all the hate at the current administration and people like Musk is very misdirected. Until we can turn that hate inward and start truly hating each other and standing up for morals with more than just words, the cycle is going to repeat until we either all become mindless wage slaves or some man made apocalypse happens.

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