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Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by sumeno »

fouronnes3 wrote: post #197
bondarchuk wrote: post #167

All the weak excuses posted here are just making me lean more towards a hardline policy. No I don't want to read a human-generated summary of your llm brainstorming session. No I don't want to read human-written text with wording changes suggested by an llm. No I don't want to read an excerpt from llm output even if you correctly attribute it. I acknowledge this is partly just my personal bias, in some cases really n…

I feel you. I don't think I've ever finished reading a sentence that started with "I asked and he said..."

The only thing worse is "I asked my AI and he said"

You don't possess an AI, you are using someone's AI

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by Apofis »

gr8tyeah wrote: post #363
abtinf wrote: post #67

Good. This helps establish it in the HN culture. That’s the purpose of guidelines. 99% of rule enforcement, both IRL and online, comes down to individuals accepting the culture. Rules aren’t really for adversaries, they are for ordinary situations. Adversaries are dealt with differently.

This is only meaningful if enough people read it and agree

When creating an account, there should be a short screen with the salient points from the guidelines to follow.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by AIorNot »

AI does not have LONG context, Long Term Memories or LONG intentionality -its not aware and it can't remember the plot without being spoonfed the details each time from scratch.

Its like an amnesic genius who once he already wrote a masterpiece and keeps cycling, and looses his train of thought after some fixed amount of time.

This groundhog day effect is mitigated in some respects by code -we create key-value memories and agents and stores and countless ways to connect agents via MCP and platforms/frameworks like A2A and the like but until we solve that longer lived instance problem we won't be able to trust these systems without serious HITL (human oversight)

I think we need models that update their own weights and we need some kind of awareness cycle rather than just a forward pass inference run with a bigger context window

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by krapp »

nomel wrote: post #475

I would enjoy a "block user" feature, to help this. I personally want to live in an online bubble of interesting thoughts. This seems close (or better, since people I enjoy can contradict my own flags) [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47141119

I suggest Comments Owl for Hacker News - one of many available plugins that make this place tolerable.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by rexpop »

You're all a bunch of tedious ignoramuses, your own fields of studying notwithstanding. I'm out here face-to-face with the Bullshit Asymmetry Principles. I'm not about to give up the only leverage I have!

The fact of the matter is that there're not hours enough in the day to read, in realtime, to each and every one of you the reams they've written on why you're wrong. Do I have to establish a tag-team?

The fact is that I've spent thousands upon thousands of hours painstakingly collating the perspectives that I'm now delivering to you—I am a river to my people. And it's only because they pass under the bridge of an LLM that they're objectionable?

This is a bit like challenging your plumber for charging you over a minute's fix, when they've spent 20 years getting it down to that minute.

The work's been done. You're paying for the outcome.

Edit: All fresh off the top of my head, folks.

Ah, that reminds me: I wouldn't feel compelled to do all this refutation if radical reactionary political extremism was properly moderated.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by ASalazarMX »

altairprime wrote: post #595
tzs wrote: post #573

How about comments that include AI output if labeled? Earlier today I remembered that there was a Supreme Court case I'd heard about 35 years ago that was relevant to on an ongoing HN discussion, but I could not remember the name of the case nor could I find it by Googling (Google kept finding later cases involving similar issues that were not relevant to what I was looking for). I asked Perplexity and given my recol…

You were correct not to post the summary. HN tends to expect readers to invest time in reading and understanding long form content and for community to step into discussions and offer context and explanations when necessary. One of the most important context statements on this site has been “in mice”, posted as a two word comment, elevated to top comment on the post. An AI summary will miss that context altogether wh…

I've done research using AI, it does work better than a search engine (when it doesn't hallucinate); but I find copy-pasting verbatim distasteful, and disrespectful of the time of others.

What I do is copy the URLs for reference, and summarize the issue myself in as few sentences as possible. Anyone who wants to learn more can follow the reference.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by arjie »

nomel wrote: post #475

I would enjoy a "block user" feature, to help this. I personally want to live in an online bubble of interesting thoughts. This seems close (or better, since people I enjoy can contradict my own flags) [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47141119

Haha, I feel the same way. I want to block and be blocked so I made this: https://overmod.org/

It's pretty easy to rewrite if you want. Just point Claude Code at the repo and go. But I think there's a little bit of network effects in that I want to subscribe to some trusted people's blocks too. But overall it's quite helpful. See how much fewer I get:

    849 comments | 138 hidden | 87 blocked | 23 green

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by sebringj »

I do too care about this but I say this in the reality in which we are. This reminds me of those signs "no shirt, no shoes, no service" except it's much worse, only sentient beings will actually care about it, while non-sentients will simply trample over the sign while token predicted laughter erupts from their token predicted sense of humor artifact.

Elon said it well, there must be some disincentive to do this.

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