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It absolutely is a surveillance array. It is trivial to record the time and license plates of every vehicle captured by the camera and fully map out their movements.
The government is already doing this using your phone.
After reading the 21 page order, I do tend to agree with the judge The judge frames the red light camera scheme as a revenue generating scheme, not a public safety measure. Additionally, "A distinctive feature of the statutory scheme is its assignment of guilt to the registered owner rather than the driver of the vehicle". and "If there are multiple registered owners, the citation is issued to the 'first' registered…
California's new speed camera pilot (AB 645) explicitly solves for this. Tickets issued by these cameras are civil penalties issued to the owner of the vehicle, like parking tickets, rather than a criminal moving violation. This means the tickets are just as constitutional as parking tickets. It also means penalties are limited to fines and can't impact your driving privilege or insurance. Hopefully other states can…
That makes the Florida judge's framing of red light cameras as a revenue generating scheme even more applicable. More than that, it ambiguates the crime.
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My daycare fines parents $5 _per minute_ of lateness.
Three hundred dollars per hour? How is that acceptable? Certainly there's some sort of maximum or grace period?
The issue is that they can't just close when they want if there's a child still there. So they have to have some way of enforcing these rules on parents. A "per minute" fine seems appropriate, so that it's more the later you are. And you need the fine to be enough that it is punitive enough, when considered against the income of your parents. Otherwise it provides no incentive. Ours is not $300 (more like $30), but it seems fair.
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The Haifa daycare study can’t be used to extrapolate much. They fined parents (IIRC) ~$3 per late pickup. Rerun the study with a $300 fine and let’s see how it pans out. It’s an interesting finding, but that then people take it to mean that fines don’t work (no matter their size) is insane.
I worked in childcare about 20 years ago, and we charged $1 per minute late. We had to keep two staff there, and they would split the fine. Many times we got stiffed. Edit: for reference, our fee was about $14/day to keep the kid, so it was a pretty stiff penalty.
I had a situation twice were I was late. Didn't have to pay, but would have without hesitation. Doesn't matter the cause.
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My daycare fines parents $5 _per minute_ of lateness.
Three hundred dollars per hour? How is that acceptable? Certainly there's some sort of maximum or grace period?
I can't understand how one can treat people like servants, forcing them into unpaid overtime, to wait until I'm good and ready to show up. And to be upset and call it "unacceptable" to compensate people when you mistreat them.
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Explain. Is this like "guys walking with rifles in the woods cause deer"?
I mean, thats also a thing in abstract. We have this issue with imported deer, that the local hunters will gladly reduce their population, but not to zero. And baits and other methods are prohibited. Deer were likely imported for hunting, and hunters effectively protect the species from eradication by killing off their competition (roos mostly), and permitting them to breed within limits. Not to mention trying to pro…
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Chicago is one publicized example. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2014/10/chicago-shortens...
I am chosing, perhaps naively, that the Chicago red light cameras are an exception and not common because that whole process was criminal: https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndil/pr/former-redflex-ceo-sent...
Its baffling to me how the US cannot handle their traffic laws. How is there any doubt in running a red light? Why can they not let common sense handle it? Just fine the car owner without question. Car owners will think twice borrowing their cars. Easy detection, less bureaucracy. And hopefully safer streets.
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Yea, I think the chance of death will encourage them not to run every red light making mass surveillance unnecessary. The money is a noop for the rich in thus case.
If that is the argument, then we should just drop enforcement of traffic rules alltogether. Because people don't want to have an accident? But driving reckless and having a big well protected car helps of course, so everyone speeding would want even bigger and better armored cars. Those daring to drive light vecicles or even bicycles, screw them? Here in germany we managed to have automated red light tickets, without…
Also, I bike often and driver right turn on green without looking has nearly gotten me a few times. Dont get me started on lack of bicycle infra in most us cities :0
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> Vehicles are not going to materialize out of nowhere and crash into you. At 60kmh a vehicle travels 16 meters per second. In freedom units: at 37mph a vehicle travels 54 feet per second. A vehicle will materialize out of nowhere and crash into you.
>A vehicle will materialize out of nowhere and crash into you. God I hate these sort of responsibility shirking opinions and their peddlers. I do this several times a day in a major US city for close to a decade now and I've never had a close call closer than the "two people trying to pass each other in the hallway" routine with a driver trying to take a right on red. Vehicles and everything else on this rock flying…
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> Vehicles and everything else on this rock flying through space obey the same laws of physics.
Yes. Yes they do.
That's why some countries (e.g. Sweden) actually have this in drivers ed: how fast a vehicle travels, how long it takes for the driver to react, what the stopping distance is for a vehicle etc.
They even teach things like "parked cars are a double problem because you can have people especially kids suddenly appear from behind them".
Or things like "at night you only see this far, and judging distance to things becomes harder".
But all that, including laws of physics, is invalidated by a litany of "I, I, mine, my, me".