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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by bsenftner »

esalman wrote: post #571
UltraSane wrote: post #486

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sunni Muslims hate the Iranian regime and consider Shia to be heretics

I am Sunni and I condemn the attack. Having said that, I also condemn Iranian regime killing (reportedly) 30000 protesters. So he probably had it coming. I'm more concerned about what happens to US now, because I think the attack indicates a complete failure and collapse of the legislative branch of the US government.

Oh, there is no effective US Government beyond Trump's demands. he's decimated anyone that could challenge, and the general public was manufactured without the critical analysis to understand. The USA is over and gone, the US is a headless zombie nation operated by 7th graders, pedos, and drug addicts. All they need is a social following and loyalty, and they are part of the government.

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Post by dralley »

Alex_L_Wood wrote: post #559

It’s so funny reading most comments here, knowing that they’d be celebrating and saying this is good if it was Netanyahu. But when it’s a maniacal islamist declaring his goal to be the destruction of US and Israel, it’s suddenly very nuanced.

An almost bigger irony is that most of those complaining would almost certainly have lamented in the past about leaders sending their nations poor to fight instead of going after each other directly. But now "that's illegal" (not just the war, but specifically the decapitation strikes)

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Post by jimmydoe »

Alex_L_Wood wrote: post #559

It’s so funny reading most comments here, knowing that they’d be celebrating and saying this is good if it was Netanyahu. But when it’s a maniacal islamist declaring his goal to be the destruction of US and Israel, it’s suddenly very nuanced.

If you do care the number of people will die bc of the sudden death of their leadership, then the reaction makes sense. Israel society will still function if its far right leadership was taken out suddenly, Iran society will collapse and become unpredictable and miserable if rev guard were suddenly removed without quick replacement or resolution.

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Post by hakavlad »

megous wrote: post #564
hakavlad wrote: post #503

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You support organization that's on a UN international blacklist of organizations that intentionally harm children. Have some shame. I will never forget the thousands of little children that IDF burned to death, cut off their legs and arms, separate they heads or just degutted. Bleh. IDF taught me that you can cut off both legs of a toddler at the hips and it will still live and scream, and will not die instantly from…

>a UN international blacklist

Fuck UN. UN's UNRWA is a friend of HAMAS and sponsor of terrorism.

>you can cut off both legs of a toddler

As far as I know, it was HAMAS, not the IDF, who burned the children.

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Post by Cipater »

dotancohen wrote: post #600
Cipater wrote: post #454

I work with and know a lot of Shia (non-Iranian) Muslims and listening to them talk about this assassination I'm convinced that the likelihood of attempted terror attacks against the US has increased significantly. The non-Iranian part is key. Millions of muslims around the world viewed the Iranian theocracy as the only power in the world fighting for Islam. They are devastated.

Are you suggesting that the US should appease Muslim ideology, under threat of terror?

No, I am telling you about people's sentiments. You are not required to do anything with the information.

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Post by nerdyadventurer »

dotancohen wrote: post #600
Cipater wrote: post #454

I work with and know a lot of Shia (non-Iranian) Muslims and listening to them talk about this assassination I'm convinced that the likelihood of attempted terror attacks against the US has increased significantly. The non-Iranian part is key. Millions of muslims around the world viewed the Iranian theocracy as the only power in the world fighting for Islam. They are devastated.

Are you suggesting that the US should appease Muslim ideology, under threat of terror?

This is not about Muslim idealogy at all, it is US want to play god on who to have nukes or not. Similar to Libiya WMD.

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Post by phreeza »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #452
pinkmuffinere wrote: post #39

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It’s no guarantee, but it is a good opportunity. I’m half-Persian, and certainly not as closely connected as others, but it’s hard to see this as a bad thing. There’s a possibility I can go visit my family in Iran as a result of this. I haven’t had a good chance for that in like 4 years

Without doxxing yourself, why were you unable to visit? I have known Persian expats a few times in my life, and they were always able to visit without issue.

Not OP but most common reason I've heard is military age males with unresolved mandatory military service status.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

breppp wrote: post #556
throwaway2037 wrote: post #491

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Agree. See also military dictatorships in South Korea and Taiwan. Many terrible years and brutal killings by the gov't. Both gov'ts were strongly supported by the US.

Two great examples of countries where US pressure had effectively transformed from dictatorships to democracies

Wow, I did not expect this type of reply. I reject it. In South Korea, there was incredible civil violence between protesters and police. I'm talking about stolen automatic weapons by protesters, then used against the police after decades of unchecked violence by the police against protesters. In hindsight, it looks like a low grade civil war. It was brutally hard and violent for South Korean to gain their democracy. (When you listen to South Korean boomers talk about how much their treasure and defend their new-found democracy, it will bring tears to your eyes. They really lived the violence and found democracy.) Taiwan needed the last dictator to die. Once his son took over, he quickly devised a plan to transition to an authentic democracy. (They had rigged election for years.) Still, they had 40 years of the "White Terror" where secret police kidnapped and murdered thousands of protesters.

Related: Indonesia also had a very violent transition into democracy, but the old dictators didn't kill as many innocent people as Taiwan or South Korea.

As I understand, the US had very little influence during the democracy transition of these three nations. Regarding Taiwan, the US provided security gurantees against mainland China, but did not interfere with the gov't. South Korea, similar security guarantee against the "Kimdom". Again, did not interfere with the gov't. Indonesia: Provided no security guarantee and did not interfere with the gov't.

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Post by judahmeek »

Paianni wrote: post #536
judahmeek wrote: post #267

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That's oversimplifying. Iranian regime-allied forces were a big part of why Iraq was such a quagmire. The balance of power in the Middle East is shifting from the Sunni~Shia schism that it once was. Most of the remaining powers are willing to actually engage in diplomacy with Israel & prefer secular groups to Islamist groups. There's still personality conflicts, such as the one growing between the heads of Saudi Arab…

Nah, if anything the Islamist groups are biding their time, waiting for the internationally-supported governments to lose the will to carry on before striking.

No, I mean that even the Saudi's & the UAE are funding secular groups that are fighting Islamist groups because Saudi & UAE both believe that Islamist groups are too dangerous: https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-growing-rift-betw...

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Post by dotancohen »

breppp wrote: post #549
reactordev wrote: post #475

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I was just saying this to someone this morning. Iran’s theocracy was the only one that has withstood the Middle East political wars in Jordan, Syria, Afghanistan, etc. To rephrase it… if The Middle East was the UK, Iran would be British. If the Middle East was the US. Iran would be California.

Jordan political system is much older than Iran, as well as the Saudis and others. Iran theocracy is a new phenomena in the Middle East, ushering the implementation era of political Islam, later continued by ISIS, Hamas and the milder Qatar and current Turkey

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