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Post by ozozozd »

abhijitr wrote: post #211

The book "On Tyranny: 20 lessons from the 20th century" by the historian Timothy Snyder is an excellent read for these times. The very first lesson is "Do not obey in advance". It's about how authoritarian power often doesn't need to force compliance, people simply bend the knee in anticipation of being forced. This simply emboldens the authoritarians to go further. I've been disappointed to see many businesses and i…

For companies / billionaires obeying in advance means they are buying their subscription to a period of favors like better contracts, lesser scrutiny over mergers, lighter enforcement of all laws.

I’d like to think that they are scared/obeying, but they’re likely just joining an organization.

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Post by khalic »

jachee wrote: post #596
khalic wrote: post #594

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for giving an example of what I’m talking about. You’re there fantasising about armed conflict when there are a million different actions one can take. But nope, only words, words and more words.

It’s 5am on a Saturday. What millions of actions do you suggest, O just-as-wordy-yet-holier-than-thou HN commentor?

Assuming this is in good faith: think about it yourself, are you seriously waiting for people to tell you what to do? Use your critical thinking skills, read history about similar situations. If you can't, find someone OFFLINE that will. And don't go telling your plans on the web.

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Post by amunozo »

jspdown wrote: post #610

Domestic mass surveillance might feel tolerable when you live in the country conducting it. But how would you feel about other countries adopting similar policies, and thereby mass-surveilling the American people? Because that's exactly what these policies authorize when applied to the rest of the world.

Americans always think they're exceptional so they have the divine right to do things that the rest cannot.

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Post by medi8r »

paganel wrote: post #551
anigbrowl wrote: post #389

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If I had decision input at Anthropic I'd be giving serious consideration to reincorporating in the EU or Japan, and also doubling or tripling my personal legal and security budget.

They’ll go after their bank accounts and their financing, in effect killing them outright, no matter from where they’d be headquartered (other than China or Russia, that is). Also, EU and Japan would not risk their nuclear umbrella protection in order to defend the interest of an US company that is fighting the US Government, not in a million years.

Well look at it this way. Europe wants to ramp up on defense given Putin and Trump's moves, so having a big AI company they can keep close probably fits into that.

Unless you are saying Europe is basically submissive to the US due to the nuclear situation.

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Post by Dansvidania »

amunozo wrote: post #613
jspdown wrote: post #610

Domestic mass surveillance might feel tolerable when you live in the country conducting it. But how would you feel about other countries adopting similar policies, and thereby mass-surveilling the American people? Because that's exactly what these policies authorize when applied to the rest of the world.

Americans always think they're exceptional so they have the divine right to do things that the rest cannot.

Maybe that’s why they like Israel so much.

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Post by ozgung »

Am I the only one who is really freaking out?

They deploy BOTS to KILL PEOPLE!

This is the only big news here.

This is the only time in this timeline where we must say "you shall not pass". The ultimate red line. And there is no going back. It's just escalation in an arms race from now on. Nothing good can come out of this.

And you are talking about details, if some guys mentioned the word "domestic" in their tweet etc.

BOTS will autonomously KILL PEOPLE!

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Post by WhrRTheBaboons »

KellyCriterion wrote: post #587
skeptic_ai wrote: post #520

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USA can’t just deny the ability to leave if you are deemed to be important for national security?

But they could open up a branch in EU with some people (and their money), and then step by step employ the people from the US in EU, bleeding out the US entity on a long run: At least yet, no one can stop their top scientist to move to another country with the knowledge and just pick up their work in the new conutry.

>At least yet, no one can stop their top scientist to move to another country

Let's hope so, because I am not so certain.

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Post by sensanaty »

I'm going to copy a comment I made in a related thread:

I might be being a bit conspiratorial, but is anyone else not buying this whole song and dance, from either side? Anthropic keeps talking about their safeguards or whatever, but seeing their marketing tactics historically it just reads more like trying to posture and get good PR for "fighting the system" or whatever.

"Our AI is so advanced and dangerous Trump has to beg us to remove our safeguards, and we valiantly said no! Oh but we were already spying on people and letting them use our AIs in weapons as long as a human was there to tick a checkbox. Also, once our models improve enough then we'll be sending in The Borg to autonomously target our Enemies™"

I just don't buy anything spewing out of the mouths of these sociopathic billionaires, and I trust the current ponzi schemers in the US gov't even less.

Especially given how much astroturfing Anthropic loves doing, and the countless comments in this thread saying things like "Way to go Amodei, I'm subbing to your 200 dollar a month plan now forever!!11".

One thing I know for sure is that these AI degenerates have made me a lot more paranoid of anything I read online.

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Post by WhrRTheBaboons »

Tepix wrote: post #479
IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government has always had monopoly over violence. Not only in the US, but everywhere else there is a government. Arthropic is trying to make that a corporate prerogative, which is why its causing such a stir.

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