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Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by ezst »

slashdev wrote: post #598
100agsh16 wrote: post #592

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the cost for DRAM memory has increased up to 500% since September 2025 How to ruin the entire Internet, software engineering and personal servers just because some billionaire man children watched Star Trek 30 years ago. They are coming for everyone, including those who promote this AI nonsense here and who will be disposed of first, because they are the least competent.

While I have written elsewhere[1] that I think AI is causing a bubble right now, AI is also the biggest technological change to the world since the Internet. I'm a software engineer, and I don't write code anymore. I'm still coming to terms with that, grieving the loss of my old career and getting used to the new career which is more like a technical lead and product person than a computer programmer. [1] https://new…

Stop calling LLMs AI. We have LLMs as a product, now, but not AI. AI does exist as a research field, and so do "flying cars" and "nuclear fusion" (with arguably those two being much closer to materiality than AI).

And no, that doesn't make me some kind of "AI hater", or someone unable to see value in LLMs.

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Post by dabinat »

I understand that the market for hardware is insane right now, so it’s logical for prices to increase. But in a few years, when hardware prices are hopefully at a more reasonable level, will these providers reduce prices again or will we be eating these costs forever?

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Post by jillesvangurp »

I just started the process of migrating to them yesterday. They are still very affordable. But a bit less. I'm estimating that our quite lean GCP setup cost is going to be cut to about 20-25% when I'm done. So, it doesn't affect my decision to go with them literally yesterday morning.

It's all a bit barebones and primitive but I don't mind. I spent yesterday tweaking some ansible scripts with codex to setup stuff like bastion hosts and nat networking. I expect I have most of the rest ready in a few days.

The benefits of having an uncomplicated docker compose and boring tech stack. No microservices. Just a monolith.

One issue that I don't have a solution for yet is disk encryption and encrypted bucket content. Probably solvable but not natively supported. Might trigger compliance issues with some of our customers.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by jillesvangurp »

miohtama wrote: post #571

For alternative European providers, I recommend OVH. Some euros pricier, but good.

I checked yesterday. The cheapest vm I can get from them was something like 25 euros/month. The one I get from Hetzner was 6/month and now will be 8 per month. That's a 3x difference. A little cheaper than GCP/AWS. But not a whole lot. I went with Hetzner based on that as I'm trying to reduce an 800 euro/month Elastic Cloud + GCP bill to < 100 month. Even with the price increases, I should get below 100/month.

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Post by tt24 »

Qiu_Zhanxuan wrote: post #560
infecto wrote: post #222

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Markets are never perfect but over the course of history they are a pretty good mechanism to solve these type of problems. Not sure why we think taxing hyperscalers differently is the answer. Government usually does worse than the market when it comes to sorting it out. My argument is not that market is perfect but that the alternatives are probably far worse, like a new tax on a specific group of companies.

it's hard to think when science contradicts your beliefs eh ?

Not sure what this means

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Post by lenkite »

jaredklewis wrote: post #422
lenkite wrote: post #393

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> It’s not a “tax” on the rest of us in any sense. There’s just a lot of demand everywhere. Curious on whether you will still hold your stance if OpenAI gets a taxpayer bailout. Even disregarding a bailout, they are already lobbying hard for tax credit expansion.

A government bailout of OpenAI would be a regressive redistribution of wealth to some of the least needy people in all of society, which is a horrendously poor use of government funds. But that has no bearing on the fact that calling high DRAM prices induced by high demand a “tax” stretches the meaning of the word beyond all recognition. There are many horrible things in the world and we don’t need to label them all…

Please note that OpenAI Partners and suppliers (Oracle, CoreWeave, SoftBank-linked entities) have taken on significant debt to fund infrastructure for OpenAI - around ~$100 billion reported in late 2025 alone.

Projections show $14-20 billion in losses for OpenAI expected just in 2026.

The chances that someone is not going to ask for a debt write-off approaches zero as the years go. OpenAI already began testing the waters since late last year. Senator Warren has already raised alarms about potential indirect taxpayer exposure when the "AI bubble" bursts.

When that happens - and it is all but guaranteed to happen - it will amount to a horrendous tax, rendering everything you’ve said about 'imprecise words obfuscating the truth' complete hogwash.

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Post by dijit »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #613

I just started the process of migrating to them yesterday. They are still very affordable. But a bit less. I'm estimating that our quite lean GCP setup cost is going to be cut to about 20-25% when I'm done. So, it doesn't affect my decision to go with them literally yesterday morning. It's all a bit barebones and primitive but I don't mind. I spent yesterday tweaking some ansible scripts with codex to setup stuff lik…

I always found that compliance issue with encrypted drives a bit funny.

The provider has the keys.

So, the drives encryption has no practical application.

The drives in, say, GCP aren't even real drives, the blocks are chunked over a distributed pool of storage- you can't just grab a drive and walk away with an OS or a data volume, you'd just get random junk. - So what's the encryption going to do?

I guess it's harder to attach your drive to someone elses VM, but ultimately since the provider has the key it doesn't actually change anything there either, except that you need another API call to launch a drive and maybe there's different permissions on your drives key than on the drive itself?

idk, feels like a weird theatre that the providers get away with because they're so big; there's no practical way of even checking if they're following up with drive encryption either. So it really is "here you can input a secret key, that you choose, we promise to use it *wink*".

Totally absent any verifiable outcome, or actual threat model.

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Post by sp4cec0wb0y »

flowerthoughts wrote: post #134

I really love that their notification email includes applicable price change for my specific servers. The worst counter example of this was Mercedes sending me an email saying "the terms and conditions have been updated, please read them at this link". It linked to the 52 page document I was supposed to read through in its entirety and manually diff against previous! Good thing they started adding a change log in the…

You guys got a notification??? I did not receive one.

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Post by lenkite »

embedding-shape wrote: post #223
jeroenhd wrote: post #213

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> Well, if all the doomers and gloomers were correct that this is the end of hardware at home, we'd see the price continue to increase, and suppliers trying to ramp up production, even if it'd take long time. Ramping up production takes months and paying back the price to ramp up production takes years. Manufacturers have started investing in more production capacity but it'll take a while before supply can be sold o…

> Manufacturers have started investing in more production capacity Where are you getting this from? Because that's not what I've seen, if anything the industry seems to lowering the production capacity, not increasing it. And even if it takes years, if they thought it was a sustainable growth in demand, they'd at least be moving in that direction which again, doesn't seem to be happening. > I believe the forecast is…

That is a mere short-term growth plateau as buyers curtail back spending - which has already happened twice - not true stabilization. Analyst firms like Trendforce expect 15-20% more increase well into end of Q2/Q3.

https://www.trendforce.com/price/dram/dram_contract https://www.trendforce.com/price/dram/dram_spot

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