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Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by disiplus »

danny_codes wrote: post #420
paxys wrote: post #68

I don't know why people here can't accept the simple fact that AI companies are offering cheap "unlimited" plans as a loss leader to tie you to their ecosystem, and then make up for it via add-ons, upsells, ads etc. If you use those API tokens to access external services it defeats the purpose. The hack may have worked so far, mainly because no one was checking, but they are all going to tighten the access eventually…

Seems like a hassle when open source models are just as good. Can go with any hosting provider. Might have to wait 3-4 weeks for them to duplicate whatever Anthropic is doing with token caching. But then you get 10x cheaper inference. I feel like this game is just a hot potato, can you get retail to hold the bag game

I have them all. They're not just as good. Whoever tells you that looked only at the benchmarks, not real use. They all fall short at some point.

Kimi K2.5 is the best one, but it's still not at the level of what Anthropic released with opus 4.5.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by ValentineC »

ljm wrote: post #553
KronisLV wrote: post #521

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> We understand that a subset of these users were not aware that this was against our ToS and will get a path for them to come back on but we have limited capacity and want to be fair to our actual users. It feels like a good default for this would be something similar to video game bans: where you get a "vacation" from the service with a clear reason for why that is, but can return to using it later. Given how much…

Getting your Google Workspace account nuked because an employee hooked their company Gemini account to OpenClaw would certainly be a novel business risk.

As far as I can tell, most of the offenders just had their access to Antigravity and Gemini CLI suspended, not the rest of the Google ecosystem.

There are probably some boundaries set by Google's legal team, especially for Workspace.

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Post by StopDisinfo910 »

ljm wrote: post #553
KronisLV wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We understand that a subset of these users were not aware that this was against our ToS and will get a path for them to come back on but we have limited capacity and want to be fair to our actual users. It feels like a good default for this would be something similar to video game bans: where you get a "vacation" from the service with a clear reason for why that is, but can return to using it later. Given how much…

Getting your Google Workspace account nuked because an employee hooked their company Gemini account to OpenClaw would certainly be a novel business risk.

Google services are banned at the very large company I work at and that's not because they are technically poor.

It's just that the last time we had to deal with their customer support, they were so bad someone at the exec level said they were banned from now on. It's to the point we have to explicitely schedule high level meetings and carve out exceptions when they happen to buy products we use.

We work with nearly everyone in the cloud space except Google. That should tell you everything you need to know.

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Post by infecto »

PunchTornado wrote: post #607
cube00 wrote: post #543

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> will get a path for them to come back on That's not what support has been telling their $250 a month customers. we are unable to reverse the suspension [1] I get the need to move fast to stabilise the service but similar to an outage it doesn't take much to put a banner on the support page to let customers know bans are temporary until they can come up with a better way of educating customers. Further more it doesn…

come on, using a monthly paid subscription to obtain auth tokens to use claws bots is quite obviously agains T&C. you need to pay api prices for that. I am sure 100% of those knew they were doing something wrong but proceeded anyway.

Sometimes I wonder where I am when people are so shocked. I genuinely don’t understand who would think this is allowable? Is this simply a younger generation and I am old now? API keys vs the auth tokens smells the same as public vs private APIs, don’t be surprised you get shut off if you are using a private API.

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Post by Yizahi »

vincston wrote: post #440
shevy-java wrote: post #433

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> Also, getting banned without warning is rough as well. Agreed. The lesson is: do not become dependent on Google. Ever. (Unfortunately I still use youtube and a chromium-based browser. Long-term I hope to find alternatives to both problems. Google search I no longer need because Google already ruined it a few years ago; the quality now is just horrible. I can not find anything useful with it anymore.)

What google search alternative have you found? Im trying out ecosia, duckduckgo and brave search, but i find their search results even worse, so in the second query i tend to bang to google..

DDG is good enough that I've switched many year ago and never went back. Any time I use Google (!g) to repeat query (recently it's maybe a few times per year) it fails to show anything useful too, so I don't see any benefit to even check it lately.

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Post by cheonn638 »

zarzavat wrote: post #584
oger wrote: post #513

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While I see the point of limited capacity, it also shows that Google did not plan for rate limiting / throttling of high usage customers. This is ALWAYS the problem with flatrate pricing models. 2% of your customers burn 80+% of your capacity. Did see that in former times with DSL, not too long ago with mobile and now with AI subscriptions. If you want to provide a "good" service for all customers better implement (a…

Yeah this is a massive fuckup on Google's part and they are taking it out on their customers as per usual. It's not hard to define a quota system and enforce it. If the quota is too high then reduce the quota. If people are abusing the quota with automated requests then detect that and rate limit those users. If I'm paying $200+ a month I should be able to saturate Google with requests. It's up to Google to enforce t…

> If I'm paying $200+ a month I should be able to saturate Google with requests

Says who? You?

The customer? Who always wants a lower price?

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Post by dryarzeg »

sebmellen wrote: post #236
dryarzeg wrote: post #220

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Although I myself am not sure whether this is a real person or a bot, the point seems to be at least somewhat valid to me. I think that some people have become too accustomed to the idea that they can get good things for free or at a reduced price, without thinking about how the economy of production/service they rely on works.

Sure it’s a valid point… and a good reason to buy the service they’re building for you! Call me paranoid but I see this kind of stuff everywhere recently.

I don't see it that frequently. Maybe because I simply do not exist in the places where most of these spambots do their dirty job of killing anything that is alive by the waves of endless nonsensical spam. I agree with you on how... well, I don't even have proper polite words to describe all of that mess. I just wanted to point out that the post actually makes a valid point, though likely it was stolen from somewhere on the Internet.
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