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Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by YousefED »

trcf23 wrote: post #519
YousefED wrote: post #507

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I work on BlockNote ( https://www.blocknotejs.org ), the block-based editor that powers Docs ( https://github.com/suitenumerique/docs ). 1.5 year ago DINUM (La Suite) and OpenDesk (Germany) reached out and started sponsoring quite a bit of our work which has really helped us accelerate the project

Do they have an impact on the roadmap? Like special features for gov work or specific integration? And I believe BlockNote uses tiptap/prosemirror, no? Do they also contribute to those “primitives”? That would be a very nice gift to the OSS community

They're pretty mindful of sponsoring things that also works for us. I.e.: we try to align both our roadmaps as good as possible.

We're discussing how to work best with downstream dependencies as well. So far they're actively sponsoring Yjs, but not prosemirror/tt.

fyi, here are some early thoughts by the PM of Docs on how to collaborate between public sector and OSS (companies): https://github.com/virgile-dev/playbook-work-with-oss-librar... (we surely don't check all the boxes yet, but it's good to have the discussion!). Feel free to jump in!

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by dariosalvi78 »

bborud wrote: post #582
pembrook wrote: post #546

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EU inc is worthless without alignment on a single capital market for fundraising and ultimately going public, sane/interoperable labor laws for hiring, and a single language market over the long term. The last piece is extremely important. Being able to raise money and hire across the EU with no friction would be fantastic, but it means nothing if actually selling into different EU markets has massive language barrie…

Political tidal forces in Europe have, for quite some time, pointed more toward fragmentation than toward strengthening common structures. What makes this particularly ironic is that this impulse is often strongest among the same voices that most loudly lament Europe’s failure to build globally competitive industries—software foremost among them. That tension has always struck me as deeply paradoxical. In the post-Br…

Trump and Putin are giving a golden opportunity to revive European integration. Alas, nationalistic populism with a badly hidden sympathy for the US (on the right) and Russia (on the left) seems to catch more votes these days.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by CapricornNoble »

LightBug1 wrote: post #566
CapricornNoble wrote: post #185

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Re: fighter jets, the US and China are each producing about 4x as many jets as all of Europe combined. Europe's deliveries (41) barely exceed Russia's (33-39) despite Europe having 3x the population, supposedly superior industrial tech, not being the most sanctioned economy on Earth, etc... https://aerospaceglobalnews.com/news/2025-fighter-jet-delive... Re: rockets.....well we don't want to judge by tonnage lifted, w…

Ok, let's take all of that as a given ... (and I've not clicked on one link, or read one line of it, so this is assumption). Even after all of that... I'd still live in Europe any day of the week instead of your sh1thole country. How's your gestapo crackdown going? Your nation is currently as stain on democratic landscape. I hope you move beyond it. You're welcome.

You're barking up the wrong tree; I haven't lived in the US for 15 years. Looking at the crackdown on Occupy Wall Street, and the militarization of law enforcement during the Ferguson Riots when we had a black President was enough to confirm how the Empire's overseas oppression would eventually come home. It's a contributing factor to why so many military veterans (including us NON-WHITE ones) are happy to settle out here in Asia. I get to leverage the power of US dollar income to build a future for my children who's only connection to the US / "The Old Country" will be the revenue generated from their family property.

>> How's your gestapo crackdown going?

Same shit, different day when you are black. We're just looking at the white liberals who are now getting shot by The State's goons like "Oh, first time?"

I think your response is below the threshold of quality commentary for HN, but I didn't downvote it. It's better that it is as visible as possible, to serve as an artifact demonstrating the combined arrogance and ignorance that so often spews forth out of the mouths of Europeans.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by CapricornNoble »

the_monocle wrote: post #319
CapricornNoble wrote: post #185

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Re: fighter jets, the US and China are each producing about 4x as many jets as all of Europe combined. Europe's deliveries (41) barely exceed Russia's (33-39) despite Europe having 3x the population, supposedly superior industrial tech, not being the most sanctioned economy on Earth, etc... https://aerospaceglobalnews.com/news/2025-fighter-jet-delive... Re: rockets.....well we don't want to judge by tonnage lifted, w…

Suprisingly the number does in fact seem to be roughly 80k per year, though a similar amount moved from Europe to the US. https://schengenvisainfo.com/news/over-75000-americans-moved... real source here: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/migr_resfirst...

Thanks for the data, nice find!

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Post by LightBug1 »

CapricornNoble wrote: post #613
LightBug1 wrote: post #566

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Ok, let's take all of that as a given ... (and I've not clicked on one link, or read one line of it, so this is assumption). Even after all of that... I'd still live in Europe any day of the week instead of your sh1thole country. How's your gestapo crackdown going? Your nation is currently as stain on democratic landscape. I hope you move beyond it. You're welcome.

You're barking up the wrong tree; I haven't lived in the US for 15 years. Looking at the crackdown on Occupy Wall Street, and the militarization of law enforcement during the Ferguson Riots when we had a black President was enough to confirm how the Empire's overseas oppression would eventually come home. It's a contributing factor to why so many military veterans (including us NON-WHITE ones) are happy to settle out…

Interesting perspective.

Ignorance? I'll call it assumption. Arrogance? No, just disgust.

And just like I assumed your background, so you assumed mine with the same level of precision.

I'll not call you a coward for lumping those who now suffer under your current pseudo-fascist government (because it still is your government). Ok, I will. When your fellow man or woman suffers under the same oppression you've suffered, you don't turn and run, you stand and fight, if you're able.

And it disgusts me that you look at those "white liberals" who will, and have, fought for you, and treat their deaths with pithy disdain.

Enjoy your retirement.

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Post by yunnpp »

Aurornis wrote: post #563
estimator7292 wrote: post #479

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Microsoft, Google, et al very famously spy on everything you do and have no compunctions about handing that data to the US government, regardless of whether the person is a US citizen. Take this idea one step further. Microsoft, Google, et al also snoop on what foreign governments do with their software and report back to USGov.

> and have no compunctions about handing that data to the US government, Every government can and will compel companies within their jurisdiction to hand over data for legal cases. Don’t think that this is a uniquely American property. If your data sits on servers within the control of any company that operates in a country, that country can and will apply legal pressure upon those companies to extract the data.

That's not the point. Yes, governments are sovereign within their territory. But the US can force any US company to hand over data, regardless of where that company has located the data center.

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Post by prmoustache »

distances wrote: post #595
prmoustache wrote: post #416

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> You just can't use any background pictures or effects. Thanksfully it is fairly easy to present a virtual webcam that is a composition of what your real physical webcam is showing and whatever background you want.

Can you give some pointers about this? I thought it's straight to kernel modules territory if I want a virtual webcam.

you can do it with ffmpeg but the most user friendly way is to use obs.

https://obsproject.com/kb/virtual-camera-guide

https://usercomp.com/news/1413136/ffmpeg-virtual-camera-guid...

I used that back in the days in 2019 / early 2020 when it was not yet possible to share your screen on msteams under wayland in chrome and firefox.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by malklera »

Good for them. More curious about file types and protocols, would their software output an open file type and "speak" open protocols? Let's say a French office needs to talk to a US office. Can each party use their own client and it still work, or does one party have to download the software of the other? The same with documents: can each party read the documents produced by the other?

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Post by joe_mamba »

surgical_fire wrote: post #542
joe_mamba wrote: post #513

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>The EU is enabling spending its citizens' money to criticize itself. If this is not a sick situation, I do not know what this is. It's called freedom of speech. Why is that sick? EU is also spengin 600 billion/year on NGOs to do pro-EU political activism. >You count Poland as a poor country? With its economic growth that will overtake UK? Learn to read, I said "poorest people", not poor country, Poland and eastern e…

> Nobody cares about the whole region. People living and paying taxes in Spain care about what's happening in Spain, not all the way in Romania or Bulgaria. So Spaniard elect politicians that will do what's best for Spain not what's best for other EU countries. Same for every other EU member. Politicians get elected on how they can improve the lives of the people in that specific country. This is an extremely nearsig…

>This is an extremely nearsighted view of the bloc.

It's not. It's the most realistic and true to life there is.

>Things that benefit the EU will benefit my country too.

Forget about you. Most voters don't care about the rest of the EU, they care about their own country first.

>Things that make Romania or Bulgaria worse will also impact the other countries in the bloc.

Yeah but most people in rich EU countries won't give a fuck about that.

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Post by distances »

prmoustache wrote: post #617
distances wrote: post #595

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Can you give some pointers about this? I thought it's straight to kernel modules territory if I want a virtual webcam.

you can do it with ffmpeg but the most user friendly way is to use obs. https://obsproject.com/kb/virtual-camera-guide https://usercomp.com/news/1413136/ffmpeg-virtual-camera-guid... I used that back in the days in 2019 / early 2020 when it was not yet possible to share your screen on msteams under wayland in chrome and firefox.

Thanks!
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