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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by trymas »

solidsnack9000 wrote: post #541
jansper39 wrote: post #400

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> US: "We will invade greenland" EU: "omg we need to invest in greenland and increase its military support, we will send more troops immediately!" > US: "we will pull out of nato" EU: "omg we hate US we need to massively increase military spending and industry" It's in both the EU and the US's interest to ensure NATO is the strongest partnership possible and the US's actions over the last few weeks have undermined it…

The EU's actions over the last 30 years have undermined it almost perfectly.

Tell me which NATO country came crying, triggered NATO Article 5 and as a consequence a good number of EU NATO (and even non-NATO) soldiers have died for the sole interests of said country?

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by joe_mamba »

pseudony wrote: post #326
johnsmith1840 wrote: post #272

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Current admin has been on record for years saying the same thing. Warning EU about russia, warning EU about China, warning them about not innovating. I don't know if this was planned internally but it seems the way they figured out how to get EU to actually do something is to make it seem like big bad trump is going to hurt them. Current admin has gotten more out of EU than 20years of asking nicely. Before: US: "plea…

It never ceases to amaze me the contortions some people put themselves through to make this US administration seem sane or even vaguely interested in the flourishing of Europe, Canada or the wider west.

It's not contortions, it's the truth, since these points have nothing to do with this US administration specifically.

Contortions is trying to blame EU's multi decade political faults on Trump.

  Germany: Ties its economy to Russia despite warnings from the US

  Russia: Invades Ukraine

  Germany: Destroys its manufacturing economy after energy prices spike from decoupling from Russian gas

  Germany and libs/dems: This is all Trump's fault

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by samus »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #571
beloch wrote: post #246

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Don't take the Canadian market for granted. There's a strong desire to forge closer links with the EU now and reduce dependence on products that could be weaponized against us at any time. Geographic proximity doesn't count for much when it comes to software.

With 40M people, Canada is about half the size of Germany in terms of population and GDP. Also smaller than France. Canada is more similar in GDP to countries like Italy. The Spanish economy is a bit smaller but it has slightly more people (48M). The EU + UK is a bit over half a billion people. The thing with Zoom, Meets, Teams, etc. is that these aren't that hard to replicate. There is not much of a technical moat.…

Teams has the upside that is is deeply integrated in Microsoft products.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by joe_mamba »

tjwebbnorfolk wrote: post #528
pseudony wrote: post #326

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It never ceases to amaze me the contortions some people put themselves through to make this US administration seem sane or even vaguely interested in the flourishing of Europe, Canada or the wider west.

Watch Trump's meetings with NATO from 2016-2019 on Youtube. He's saying exactly the same things about Europe, but nicer. Nice didn't work. Even Russia invading a European county didn't work. Europe's head has been firmly planted in the sand for too long.

When the US points out faults with what EU is doing, the EU just digs its heels deeper out of spite, instead of self reflecting that maybe the US might be right.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by joe_mamba »

trymas wrote: post #611
solidsnack9000 wrote: post #541

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The EU's actions over the last 30 years have undermined it almost perfectly.

Tell me which NATO country came crying, triggered NATO Article 5 and as a consequence a good number of EU NATO (and even non-NATO) soldiers have died for the sole interests of said country?

Why are you moving the goalposts from your parent's point?

Yes, the middle eastern wars were a huge issue form the US, but that doesn't explain EU own goaling itself for 20+ years with terrible policies and choices, with or without helping the US in the middle east.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by paganel »

softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

> s in a somewhat unified market

It's really not when it comes to the internet. First of all I'm in a very big minority here in Romania because I can read French (I can also speak somehow), but the majority of the people around me cannot. And let's not mention German. So, when the majority of EU citizens cannot speak the languages of EU's two biggest countries by population then it means that the market is not unified.

And, no, using English as a lingua franca across the continent going forward is not going to cut it, that will mean cultural erasure. Maybe in the future some EU bureaucrats will advocate for that, i.e. to replace French, German, Spanish, Italian etc as people's main language, but I think we're pretty far away from that. Also, making everyone around these parts bilingual is also not going to work, it's either English as a first language (or French, or German) or nothing.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by ajjahs »

kettlecorn wrote: post #558
xp84 wrote: post #388

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> weaponized against us I take a more optimistic stance here. Trump can only live so long, and everybody except basically Trump and John Bolton knows that the majority of his idiotic tariffs (and nonsensical belligerence like pretending NATO control of Greenland doesn't meet all our defense needs) are wealth-destroying on net, as well as wealth-destroying for at least 10x the number of people than they help (many of…

The decades long level of trust in the US and its institutions was unprecedented and built off of the tremendous goodwill and momentum post WW2. It was an unusually high degree of trust, and now it's unusually low. Even if the US reverses its policies it will take a very long time to rebuild trust, and even then the historical warning marker of the Trump admin will be studied as a reason to never return to the prior…

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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by joe_mamba »

watwut wrote: post #573
xp84 wrote: post #458

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You don't have to convince every Trump voter. The margin who swung from Biden to Trump and elected Trump aren't all those things. They just don't want what the Dems were selling in 2024, specifically: the dems' adopted ideology surrounding gender, plus using race and gender to pick who gets jobs and into schools, rather than merit. If they removed just those two planks from the DNC platform, (1) Harris would have nev…

> They just don't want what the Dems were selling in 2024, specifically: the dems' adopted ideology surrounding gender, plus using race and gender to pick who gets jobs and into schools, rather than merit. Except that, none of this is true. Democrats did not run on such policy at all. They heavily tried to appeal to center. Republicans run on culture war. And won, because it literally did not mattered what democratic…

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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

Ravus wrote: post #590
alexey-salmin wrote: post #582

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Canada is subject to the Monroe doctrine. Forge a link too close and there will be intervention of sorts.

Threats only works if the threatened entity thinks they can avoid them via compliance. Tariffs come anyway, both Canada and Denmark are under threat of annexation, and ICC suspensions of Microsoft emails show that governments cannot rely on US tech.

Yes, or as Cory Doctorow put it: "So now we have tariffs, and if someone threatens to burn your house down unless you follow orders, and then they burn it down anyway, you really don’t have to keep following their orders."

https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2025-12-16...

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