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Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by nikanj »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #551
david-gpu wrote: post #382

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Disingenuous? Plenty of people live without a car.

By choice? Life is short enough, I don’t need to waste it providing power to travel to work and back when I can save 1.5 hours per work day driving. (And more if I go to lunch.)

Many people realize that they'd rather spend an hour biking every day instead of half an hour driving each day, because they enjoy riding a bike. "Providing power to travel" is such a weird way to describe using your own body and enjoying the outdoors

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Post by myrandomcomment »

dredmorbius wrote: post #511
costcopizza wrote: post #463

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I can 100% confidently say the average US buyer is not an auto enthusiast. Cars are appliances to the vast majority of people here. There are multiple other factors for the relatively low adoption of EVs compared to China.

Automobile buyers who buy American or European cars are more likely to be auto enthusiasts. Then there's the utility / practical / recreational crowd who goes for SUVs and pickup trucks. Those whose primary aim is utility are already in (non-EU) foreign markets or used. Those are invisible to new-car US/EU sales. It's a classic Innovators Dilemma dynamic (Clayton Christensen), where chasing higher-end market niches t…

I own 2 cars, both Porsche. Mine is a 15 year old Boxster S. The wife has a brand new Macan 4S EV. It is a brilliant car. 280mi/450km @ 80% charge and no issues with the cold. It was 27F/-3.5C this morning.

I will never buy a gas car again. I plan to keep my Boxster until I can buy an EV version.

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Post by NetMageSCW »

Tarq0n wrote: post #535
olyjohn wrote: post #135

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Well those owners are idiots. That says nothing about the car. You can't exclude Toyota when you make the claim that hybrids are unreliable and inefficient either. They have proven that they can be reliable and efficient. Hybrids aren't running around doing 30 miles a day with a 300 mile battery like most EVs. Talk about inefficient!

The problem is the limited charging infrastructure. Hybrid owners don't need to plug in for the vehicle to function so they yield available chargers to actual EVs. To get past this you would need ubiquitous charging infra.

PHEV owners only need to charge at home (and if they can’t, don’t need a PHEV) and use electric power for local commuting.

The future of BEVs (and the most practical today) is also charging at home, and available chargers can grow slowly with BEVs used for road trips. Tesla is pretty close to there already. So, chargers don’t need to ubiquitous, just a bit more available on less common road trip routes.

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Post by BigTTYGothGF »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #480
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Modern cars are far more reliable than old 'analogue' cars - primarily because of the integrated electronics. ECUs can detect when engines are running rich or lean, knocking or 100 other edge cases and adjust accordingly. Switch to an EV and it's even simpler, you can get away with a motor, battery, BMS and inverter and you can get just about any soapbox to move.

> Modern cars are far more reliable than old 'analogue' cars ... Define "modern". My 1988 Porsche 911 Carrera is now 38 years old (and I own it since 1999, it used to be my daily back in the day). It's considered one of the most reliable car ever built . Mine is sure still running strong and, well, we have to wait until year 2064 (I'll be long gone I guess) to see if any modern car proves as reliable. Also: there are…

> Define "modern". My 1988 ...

Lots of cars in 1988 still had 5 digit odometers because most of them weren't expected to ever need a 6th. Nowadays with some companies you can get almost that far and still be under warranty.

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Post by Spooky23 »

bluedino wrote: post #519
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I like manual transmissions but I think DCTs are an improvement for the average car. They seem to have a lot less "hunting" than the typical torque-converter automatic and good precision for the driving conditions. It is easy to put them into a manual-select mode. And, of course, they don't seem to stall.

The manual transmission crowd cannot be convinced. Even when you show them the performance advantages etc. They just want 'fun' and 'engaging', however they define that.

Manual transmission people are like the audiophiles of cars. Other than some sports cars, nobody cares.

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Post by thrance »

CalRobert wrote: post #194
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> Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car dominance, but of the (very potential) rise of China as the premier automotive super power. It’s done man. Americans are stuck in ICE engines because they’ve been told they’re “car enthusiasts” while the Chinese have been developing EV technology for years. Meanwhile, European makers are stuck not knowing what to do, make Americans happy or compete w…

Perhaps people in the future will visit the US for the dieselpunk nostalgia, the same way people like seeing classic cars in Cuba.

Ain't gonna be any diesel in the future. Peak oil has passed, now it's only going downhill.

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

jyounker wrote: post #499
lostlogin wrote: post #423

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Ever tried working on a new car versus fixing a pre 1980’s car? Damned if I have any idea what anything is or what to do on a new one. I had a moderate chance of diagnosing and fixing my old Triunph.

If you have the right tools then it's easier than ever. To put a different spin, a friend's father was a very successful auto mechanic. What he loved about it was the mental challenge of diagnostics. The stranger the problem, the better for him. A few years back he sold his shop. There were two reasons: 1) He made f** you money, and retired decades earlier than he'd expected. 2) For many years he'd felt like the dail…

Identifying which assemblies to replace is easier than ever.

But there are an ever increasing number of assemblies with a "non starter to anyone other than the OEM" up front manufacturing set up cost. And when the OEM drops support......

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Post by NetMageSCW »

CGMthrowaway wrote: post #505
rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #350

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No. It's really easy to install charging points on office parking space and supermarket. You don't need to plug at home when half of the day the car is parked at places with chargers.

Comments like this are bubble coded. Plenty of people don't park at an office, don't park at a supermarket, certainly not for half the day

Not half a day, but BEVs are impractical today if you don’t have home charging, but throw in restaurants, movie theaters, doctor’s and dentist’s offices, and L2 charging starts to become a practical alternative for many.

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Post by NetMageSCW »

CGMthrowaway wrote: post #488
nielsbot wrote: post #332

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Yeah but don't we need to stop burning fossil fuels?

No? I haven't seen a "peak oil" article or prediction in at least ten years. It would be GREAT to reduce our dependence, to make them cleaner, to make them more efficient, and to increase the use of renewables. But who is saying we have to "stop" oil and gas?

Global warming.

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Post by nicoburns »

vee-kay wrote: post #600
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Regulation has everything to do with this. > EVs are DESIGNED and MANUFACTURED to be extremely difficult to repair even by excellent technicians and software experts. Correct. So we should pass regulation that makes this illegal (or otherwise prohibitively expensive for manufacturers due to legal responsilities which would be difficult to fulfil with such a design). We know that repairable EVs are entirely possible.…

If 40+ years of mobile phones have not solved such problems through regulations, I am afraid they won't be solved for EVs either. Furthermore, once EVs become mainstream across the world, it will be China controlling the world [since batteries and chips & ICs (integrated circuits) need Lithium, Rare Earth Metals, etc., but China has the monopoly on them (especially on Rare Earths processing)]. That's why China is doi…

> If 40+ years of mobile phones have not solved such problems through regulations, I am afraid they won't be solved for EVs either.

I don't think that follows. Nobody has even attempted to solve these problems for mobile phones. And the main reason for that is that it's a pretty new problem. Appliances 40 or 50 years ago were much simpler and typically quite repairable. It's only the recently that a focus on manufacturing efficiency and profitability have led to these kind of problems.

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