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Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by tguvot »

kennywinker wrote: post #608
tguvot wrote: post #590

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israeli defense budget is around $35b-$45b usa aid is typically around $3b-$3.5b . 2024 higher aid is one off due to the war. also (unless i am wrong), good chunk of aid that Israel got from usa during war was in form of loans/guarantees for loans and such

Their military budget is wayyy up due to the war, so if you’re ignoring recent giving you should also be ignoring recent spending. In 2020 their military budget was ~21b. In 2020 the US gave 3.8b - so 21%, or 1/5. My number was based on 2024 budget and spending, which is why i said 1/4, but you’re probably right that pre-war numbers are more accurate if we’re talking about their long term spending trends. Sources: Is…

worldbank data is off almost by factor of 2

from israeli site:

The 2021 budget framework for the "Ministry of Defense" includes an expenditure budget of NIS 62.357 billion, in addition to NIS 14.972 billion in income-contingent expenditure and authorization to commit in the amount of NIS 36.3 billion.

In 2022, the framework for the budget includes an expenditure budget of NIS 59.833 billion, in addition to NIS 15 billion in income-contingent expenditure and authorization to commit in the amount of NIS 42.9 billion.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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sporkxrocket wrote: post #601
judah wrote: post #106

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Gaza (Hamas), the West Bank (Fatah), and Lebanon (Hezbollah) are the reason this technology is needed in the first place: violent religious fundamentalists firing cheap rockets at Jewish cities because of religious hatred. Over 16,000 rocket attacks on Israel last year alone. Thanks to the Iron Dome technology, nearly 90% of such attacks were intercepted, saving thousands of lives. This new Iron Beam technology is mo…

Zionism is an illegal, genocidal, racist ideology. It exists 100% on land stolen from the Palestinians. They have every right to resist the foreign occupation on their land.

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Post by mhb »

ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #606
LorenPechtel wrote: post #473

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Leftist fantasy. Diplomacy only works if both sides desire peace. The reality: Israel desires to avoid a continuation of the Holocaust. Iran desires stirring up trouble as a means of taking over countries, and uses the conflict with Israel as a justification. It's working fine for Iran, why would they agree to peace? They never have, just some stuff playing us for fools. I don't support The Felon but tearing up the I…

>Israel desires to avoid a continuation of the Holocaust. Then why the UN-recognized genocide of Palestinians?

You're seriously asking why the Arab countries who would be thrilled to see Israel vanish "recognized" a "genocide"?

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Post by FunnyUsername »

ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #606
LorenPechtel wrote: post #473

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Leftist fantasy. Diplomacy only works if both sides desire peace. The reality: Israel desires to avoid a continuation of the Holocaust. Iran desires stirring up trouble as a means of taking over countries, and uses the conflict with Israel as a justification. It's working fine for Iran, why would they agree to peace? They never have, just some stuff playing us for fools. I don't support The Felon but tearing up the I…

>Israel desires to avoid a continuation of the Holocaust. Then why the UN-recognized genocide of Palestinians?

"UN" is a vague term for a bunch of forums and other bureaucracy, so "UN-recognized" doesn't really make sense.

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Post by sporkxrocket »

soldthat wrote: post #612
sporkxrocket wrote: post #601

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Zionism is an illegal, genocidal, racist ideology. It exists 100% on land stolen from the Palestinians. They have every right to resist the foreign occupation on their land.

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The land belongs to the indigenous people who live there, in this case Palestinians. Zionists are just ethnic cleansing terrorist invaders.

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Post by LtWorf »

hersko wrote: post #430
recroad wrote: post #253

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Data says it’s the Palestinians that need defenses, not the ones doing 95% of the killing. https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

Country A attacks vastly more powerful neighbor. They have no defensive infrastructure (for civilians), no plans for minimizing civilian deaths, no hope of actually winning the war they started. There strategy is to fight in a dense urban environment among their own civilians while firing thousands of unguided rockets at their enemy, knowing the retaliation is going to be horrific with no way for them to stop it (oth…

You just got wrong who attacked whom.

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Post by sporkxrocket »

soldthat wrote: post #617
sporkxrocket wrote: post #616

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The land belongs to the indigenous people who live there, in this case Palestinians. Zionists are just ethnic cleansing terrorist invaders.

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The Zionists literally just spent two years blowing up Mosques and committing genocide against Muslims and Christians. I'm sorry, you're not arguing in good faith and we're done here.

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Post by LorenPechtel »

LightBug1 wrote: post #595
LorenPechtel wrote: post #573

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Disregard? Always based on nonsense. The number that matters is civilians per combatant--and for urban combat where there hasn't been an evacuation Israel far outperforms every other country. Every other--they make us look bad.

Ok, thanks, so the sun shines out of Israel's ass and they can do no wrong. Got it. Thanks for your input. Talking of disregarding ...

You're disregarding.

We have a lot of incidents frame by the press as being wrongful Israeli actions. Most of them turn out to be garbage. And even uncontested casualty numbers show Israel did better than we do.

I'm not an Israeli apologist, but I don't feel that I'm competent to tell the world's best performer that they're wrong.

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