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Jonathan Blow has spent the past decade designing 1,400 puzzles

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Re: Jonathan Blow has spent the past decade designing 1,400 puzzles

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Post by sarchertech »

krapp wrote: post #576
sarchertech wrote: post #574

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Jai hasn’t even had the whole array of structs to struct of arrays thing in years. Also speeding up compilation time really does require a new language or at least a new compiler. And why would you “go after” any language. If you don’t like it, don’t use it. The only thing going after it is going to do is to drive up the engagement metrics and make it more popular.

>And why would you “go after” any language. If you don’t like it, don’t use it. We are on a discussion forum. One of the common use cases of a discussion forum is criticism and debate. Yes, we could all simply use the tools we want, and not use the tools we don't, and not waste time expressing an opinion either way, but again this is a discussion forum. And it's not as if I posted "Jai delenda est" here, I think my o…

Sure, have an opinion. But I don’t think I’d refer to myself “going after” anything as innocuous as a programming language.

Personally I’m glad that people do crazy projects where they reinvent the wheel. Otherwise we’d never know when we were stuck in local optima.

Re: Jonathan Blow has spent the past decade designing 1,400 puzzles

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Post by psyopsy »

__alexs wrote: post #606
psyopsy wrote: post #595

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They did try to account for social conditioning: parents' education and jobs, local labor markets, school performance, the whole bit. The gap still didn't move much. If socialization were the main driver, you'd expect the most egalitarian countries to have the smallest gaps. They don't. In a lot of cases it's the opposite. Sweden, for example, shows bigger differences in occupational preferences than places like Paki…

You can't control for the social conditioning of gender. This is so fundamentally obvious I don't think you are taking the science seriously.

Congrats! You've made your position unfalsifiable.

When the data consistently shows gaps widening as social strictures loosen, and your response is to blame an invisible, unmeasurable "conditioning," you aren't doing science at all. But you are insulating your belief from any possible counter-evidence.

Re: Jonathan Blow has spent the past decade designing 1,400 puzzles

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Post by psyopsy »

__alexs wrote: post #605
psyopsy wrote: post #591

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You said, "I don't think he's said exactly that in his own words but..." That's implicitly saying, "well, he hasn't admitted it outright, but yeah, he basically believes it." Now faced with evidence contrary to your beliefs, you're claiming you didn't say that. When presented with proof, It's ok to just admit that you were wrong.

You seem very defensive of Blow. I didn't say the things you seem to think I was saying. Sorry for the confusion.

Am I supposed to be embarrassed for defending someone against a baseless smear?

Anyway, call it "defensive" all you want. It doesn't change the historical thread: You argued, at best, his views made the workplace unwelcoming; the data shows he hires women at parity. You're just backpedaling because the reality didn't match your narrative vibes.

Re: Jonathan Blow has spent the past decade designing 1,400 puzzles

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Post by AndriyKunitsyn »

Johanx64 wrote: post #321
AndriyKunitsyn wrote: post #269

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Some people actually have mouths to feed. Some people don't have the luxury of preaching for whatever ideals they have without a need to release anything in 10 years; that doesn't make their products "garbage".

> Some people don't have the luxury of preaching for whatever ideals they have without a need to release anything in 10 years Wait, how did they gain this "luxury"? Are they trust fund babies or something? Or did they earn their big stash of money by producing "garbage" and now retroactively are preaching ideals that they themselves didn't follow or what? This line of "criticism" doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Af…

>Or did they earn their big stash of money by producing "garbage" and now retroactively are preaching ideals that they themselves didn't follow or what?

In the JBlow case - yes, he made his money using C++. So far, he hasn't shown that using Jai is particularly productive for software engineering.

Re: Jonathan Blow has spent the past decade designing 1,400 puzzles

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Post by psyopsy »

jstimpfle wrote: post #152
latexr wrote: post #151

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“who also” means “in addition to”, it doesn’t mean the points follow from each other. The quote does not support your point.

Don't be silly, it's brought up as a support clause that is also lacking any factual evidence.

I’ve never seen a thread so reflective of this meme:

“It's amazing how much leftist discourse is just them pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible.”

Re: Jonathan Blow has spent the past decade designing 1,400 puzzles

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Post by psyopsy »

spicyusername wrote: post #575

It's interesting to me how Blow seems to ruffle so many feathers. I don't really get it. He's made two well received games, now a third one and an entire programming language, and anytime I tune in to his content he seems like a competent programmer with the kinds of opinions you'd expect from any kind of craftsman: sharp and borne out of their own personal experience. I never hear anything that strikes me as inflamm…

He ruffles the very sensitive Internet dwellers who have all correct beliefs.

Many years ago, during the peak growth of internet cancel culture, Jon made the mistake of saying an uncontroversial truth about occupational interests heavily correlating with gender.

They took that and twisted it into “he thinks women are inferior.”

Since then, they look for any reason to hate on him. It’s political tribe brain rot as usual.

Check out The Witness subreddit. For a game those people claim to love, they seemed to have absorbed absolutely none of the narrative philosophy.

Re: Jonathan Blow has spent the past decade designing 1,400 puzzles

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Post by psyopsy »

jackling wrote: post #338
jsheard wrote: post #33

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That's no coincidence, Thekla employed Jack Lance to work on Sinking Star until his death in 2023. Not that you'd know from the marketing, which doesn't mention any of the puzzle designers involved aside from Jon Blow.

Is it typical for the marketing for a game to reference those who worked on the game? Those designers were employees of Thekla as far as I can tell, why would they get a shout out?

Shhhhhh… don’t spoil their little hate party. Everyone knows that the whole marketing team really wanted to include every employee’s name in the 90 sec trailer, but Jon said, “absofuckinlutely not!”

Like a fascist would! /s

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Post by CamperBob2 »

socalgal2 wrote: post #608
maximilianburke wrote: post #604

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It's possible (and true) that non-white Republican demographics have been growing and that the Republicans are currently being led by white supremacists, with the latter being demonstrated by the words and actions of Trump, Miller, Noem, Hegseth, Musk, etc.

And it's just as possible (and actually TRUE) that your interpretation of their words is a mis-representation their POV.

Their "POV" is irrelevant. Their actions speak for themselves.

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Post by hyperbolablabla »

jackling wrote: post #590
spicyusername wrote: post #577

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What do you mean by that?

Sean has been on Jon's stream, and there's a good video where briefly Sean states that he have Jon some syntax advice for Jon's language Jai. I assumed they were friends as there are several videos of them conversing. The parent comment pointed out that Sean agree's with the negatives about Jon, which could not mean much, but the fact that Jon's negative as described in the Dreknek are really bad indicates to me that…

Frankly STB is a bit of a lefty nutjob, those types are known for excommunicating good friends over minor political schisms... Talking from experience.

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Post by jackling »

hyperbolablabla wrote: post #619
jackling wrote: post #590

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Sean has been on Jon's stream, and there's a good video where briefly Sean states that he have Jon some syntax advice for Jon's language Jai. I assumed they were friends as there are several videos of them conversing. The parent comment pointed out that Sean agree's with the negatives about Jon, which could not mean much, but the fact that Jon's negative as described in the Dreknek are really bad indicates to me that…

Frankly STB is a bit of a lefty nutjob, those types are known for excommunicating good friends over minor political schisms... Talking from experience.

Ah I honestly don't know about STB aside from his header libraries and his tech talks, what makes you think he's a lefty nutjob? Briefly looking over his website and X profile, he seems like he's on the left side of the political spectrum, but what inparticular gives you the impression he's a nutjob?
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