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Why aren't smart people happier?

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Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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Abrahamic religion didn't really became a major factor in the world until Constantine. So for instance for the entirety of Ancient Greece and the majority of Ancient Rome, Abrahamic religions had no meaningful influence, and there are extensive writings from this time. But while I think it's useful to consider their views, I again think the real goal is to develop one's own philosophy. We all have different perspecti…

I think it's fair to say that "Abrahamic Religion" here means specifically "Christianity and Islam". Judaism arguably encourages exactly the sort of philosophy you're talking about, and other Abrahamic offshoots like Druze are not influential. That said I'm not actually fully convinced that Christianity and Islam discourage personal philosophy in the way that you say. The Greek philosophies you mention were largely t…

Fair point, though I'm not entirely sure the shape that Judaism took in its relatively early days. But one thing I'd say is that the same remains true to this day. The people suffering for lack of meaning and direction, and casting aside religion, are not the people working the fields. Such work provides a sort of meaning and comfort all its own, as the work is inherently virtuous. It's people with relatively leisurely and highly compensated but completely meaningless and unnecessary (and even socially detrimental) work, that are left to search for meaning in it all.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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It's very difficult for most (not all) people to relate to others who are either significantly more or significantly less intelligent than them. So, for example (using IQ as a proxy), most people of average intelligence (~100IQ) would find it difficult to relate to those of ~65IQ, and equally difficult to find much in common with someone much more intelligent than them (140+IQ). Given power laws / bell-curve distribu…

>will spend most of their time surrounded by people they can't really relate to.

But society tends to bring together like-minded people e.g. in schooling, professional work, sports teams, art school, or whatever other community.

Also, I think social compatibility is less about matching IQs and more about matching senses of humor. If someone finds your jokes distasteful or downright bland, it's never going to work out. My friends are my friends because we laugh at the same things.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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post #468

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That's a specific problem that can be addressed. Here's a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRvbh8xCi4w

It has nothing to do with the problem.

That's exactly the mechanism how they form. Happens to children as well.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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post #603

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I’m positing that a lifetime of non destructive pleasure is indistinguishable from happiness.

If you had a brain scan of pleasure and a brain scan of happiness, do you think they'd be identical? I think you understand that unbridled pleasure eventually leads to jadedness, because you excluded drugs. The other forms of pure pleasure do the same thing but over a longer timescale. Yes, you'd have a truly amazing time at first. Why do a lot of rich people turn to drugs or gambling?

I don’t think it’s easy to get jaded about unrestricted power over people. I think that’s what the human condition is all about.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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It was shot and directed by a totally different person, a famous Rusdian documentary director. 4 x 1h parts. It is absolutely glorious. After the original movie was made, released and got successful, Werner Herzor made a deal with the director and edited 4 hours of original movie in half, while adding his commentary. He made it A LOT worse, sadly. The only people who rave about it, are the ones who haven't seen the o…

If anyone's interested I think I found it on youtube in english: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcHbZZPce_ZMUuYr5u6sx...

You are correct. The movie was originally released on youtube by the director himself. I wasn't sure it had English subtitles, therefore I didn't specifically reference youtube as a place to find it.

If someone watches the original I would really appreciate sharing your opinion about the movie (in general and/or in comparisson to the shortened version).

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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Might be useful to ask a different question: What makes people happy? It's things like relationships, satisfying work, accomplishment. (and many, many more) Then the real question emerges: How many of those happiness 'sources' are made better by intelligence? What percentage? Relationships? Seems like no. Work? Also seems like no, lots of work doesn't make use of a high IQ that people enjoy nonetheless. Accomplishmen…

I'd take a different answer to this question: philosophy. In times before Abrahamic religion developing or adopting a life philosophy was seen as a practical obligation for a man. This is where you saw the rise of everything from the Pythagorean to the Stoics. It seems that the rise of Abrahamic religions is what largely brought an end to this and mandated a sort of one-size-fits-all philosophy for everybody. Now in…

>One could even argue this issue is directly related to the collapse of fertility in developed nations.

Or because information space was monopolized by oligarchs, then they decide what you think.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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post #53

Might be useful to ask a different question: What makes people happy? It's things like relationships, satisfying work, accomplishment. (and many, many more) Then the real question emerges: How many of those happiness 'sources' are made better by intelligence? What percentage? Relationships? Seems like no. Work? Also seems like no, lots of work doesn't make use of a high IQ that people enjoy nonetheless. Accomplishmen…

> Might be useful to ask a different question: What makes people happy? This is the age old question. For me at least, the quest for meaning lead me to reason. Reason and logic, then led me to two choices. First is there is no meaning, no purpose, and life is what you make or not make of it; this is more commonly known as nihilism. The second choice is a literal leap of faith; this argues that humans are incapable of…

>First is there is no meaning, no purpose, and life is what you make or not make of it; this is more commonly known as nihilism.

You say it as if it's something bad. It's not unprecedented: inquisitors believed spinning Earth was bad, but now it somehow isn't.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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Reason and logic lead you to only two choices, where one choice immediately begs you to abandon reason and logic and just believe what feels right? I think reason and logic can take you further than that. We can explore a spectrum of ideas without committing immediately.

The point is that you actually cannot explore a spectrum of ideas without committing immediately because you are forced to live and living forces you to commit and make moral decisions every day.

These problems arise when you ruminate instead of living.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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post #603

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If you had a brain scan of pleasure and a brain scan of happiness, do you think they'd be identical? I think you understand that unbridled pleasure eventually leads to jadedness, because you excluded drugs. The other forms of pure pleasure do the same thing but over a longer timescale. Yes, you'd have a truly amazing time at first. Why do a lot of rich people turn to drugs or gambling?

I don’t think it’s easy to get jaded about unrestricted power over people. I think that’s what the human condition is all about.

It may not be easy but it's bound to happen if the results are predictable.

Added to that, it's normal for an absolute monarch to be paranoid.

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