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Re: Sora 2

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Post by cogman10 »

paulcole wrote: post #601
cogman10 wrote: post #482

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I agree. It's really interesting that computers can make videos from sentences. This, however, isn't the first AI capable of doing that correct? Didn't Sora 1, Veo, and others come out before this making videos from sentences? Surely what makes this impressive isn't "This does what other people have done, including us Open AI". Since you edited, I will to respond to your inflammatory edit > Shocker lol > Like a guy w…

> This, however, isn't the first AI capable of doing that correct? Didn't Sora 1, Veo, and others come out before this making videos from sentences? It seems like there was a 90% chance you weren’t impressed by these either… > doesn't convince or impress me or anyone else that's a skeptic Yes, this is why I asked what % of comments you’ve made have been skeptical about AI. There’s nothing that will impress you. I did…

> It seems like there was a 90% chance you weren’t impressed by these either…

And you'd be wrong in that assumption. When these first came out, particularly veo, I was quiet impressed with the photo realistic scenes it produced. Just like I was pretty impressed by "this is not a real human" website when it first launched.

> Yes, this is why I asked what % of comments you’ve made have been skeptical about AI. There’s nothing that will impress you.

New and novel things impress me. What's new and novel about this?

> I didn’t want to convince you I wanted to find out if I should have any interest in what you had to say.

Ah, so my opinion about stuff is only worth something if I said "I believe AI is the best thing that has ever been invented and I will kill myself to further it!!"

Go find a church if you can only talk with zealots.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by idle_zealot »

JacobThreeThree wrote: post #579
afavour wrote: post #552

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I just see it as a (sad) reflection of capitalism. Those investors need some short term returns!

This does not make any sense. There's far more economic opportunity with AGI.

> There's far more economic opportunity with

Is there? Creating AGI sounds like a great way to utterly upend every assumption that our economy and governments are built on. It would be incredibly destabilizing. That's not typically good for business. There's no telling who will profit once that genie is out of the bottle, or if profit will even continue to be a meaningful concept.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by Nursie »

astrange wrote: post #608
Nursie wrote: post #602

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> Homes are depreciating assets. Where do you live? Their value has been steadily appreciating in a lot of places in the west due to high demand.

I live in the most expensive housing market in the world. That's because the value of the land under the houses is so high; the house itself is nothing special. But even then, it's mostly because of Prop 13, and it only works out if you live in the house yourself. There's still noone cornering the market in California houses. Almost all landlords only own 1-2 properties.

I live in Perth, Western Australia, and here 5-year price growth has topped 100% in some suburbs. Landlordism is an enormous money-spinner.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by totetsu »

morleytj wrote: post #496
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

My steel man would be that it sounds like exactly the kind of ooze that real AGI might arise from as an emergent system.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by na4ma4 »

freedomben wrote: post #526
felipeerias wrote: post #500

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At least now we know that AGI is definitely not happening.

Can you explain a bit more? I'm intrigued by your comment, but not seeing the connection

> "Come on," he droned, "I've been ordered to take you down to the bridge. Here I am, brain the size of a planet and they ask me to take you down to the bridge. Call that job satisfaction? 'Cos I don't."

Just reminds me of this: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_th...>

Re: Sora 2

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Post by famouswaffles »

cubefox wrote: post #487
squidsoup wrote: post #424

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Hard to interpret that comment as anything but racist. Chinua Achebe is widely considered one of the greatest modern novelists. He was 28 when he wrote Things Fall Apart.

Perhaps learn the meaning of the phrase "by commonly accepted measures" before you accuse someone of racism. I'm pretty sure hardly anyone knows about Chinua Achebe, so your definition of "widely" must be quite wide.

Things Fall Apart has sold over 20 million copies and has been translated into more than 50 languages. It is a staple of literature curriculums in schools and universities across the globe. That isn't a "wide" definition of widely known; it's the standard one.

Then you have Chimamanda Adichie, who has sold millions of copies and won several awards, including the BBC National Short Story Award, widely described as "one of the most prestigious awards for a single short story"

Then another Nigerian writer, Wole Soyinka, won the Nobel fucking Prize in Literature in 1986. Or is that measure not good enough for you, your highness ?

Not only do you come across as racist, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Congratulations.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by vunderba »

cogman10 wrote: post #584
vunderba wrote: post #580

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>It’s fucking video made by a computer after you type a sentence Geez. Breathe a little bit. It's always weird to see somebody who had zero involvement in the creation/engineering/design of a product so disproportionately defensive about it. The concept of text to video since LTX, CogVideo, AnimateDiff is closing in on two years of development at this point so there's naturally going to be a little less breathless en…

I'm assuming you've played more with AI video creation than I have. Was there anything impressive here or is this mostly "meh"? I didn't see this solve any of the problems with AI videos but maybe this is solving something that I didn't know was a problem? That's really what I'm trying to figure out with this announcement. Seeing 100s of comments about how impressive this is with no comments really discussing why has…

Good question. The one thing that Altman really seemed keen to play up was the whole integrate yourself into the video which from what I watched is definitely a step beyond the more conventional Image-To-Video models.

Depressingly that's probably a killer feature since if there's one thing people want to see more of it's themselves.

IMHO I also think the fact that they're trying to position themselves as a sort of infinite doom-scrolling tiktok lends support to the idea that their models are still only suitable for relatively short videos since coherency probably falls off a cliff after 30-60 seconds.

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Post by slaterbug »

mattgreenrocks wrote: post #473
martin-t wrote: post #340

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While this is true, it's hard to imagine people spending years perfecting the style would be happy to see it copied effortlessly without any compensation while people who made the copying possible are rolling in cash. This is not just about copyright infringement or plagiarism. Automatically generating text, images and videos based on training data and a tiny prompt is fundamentally about taking someone's work and ma…

Don’t worry, I’m sure someone will roll up and claim that it’s just “democratization” of that style and the prompt authors exhibit as much creativity as the artists themselves.

Or they’ll claim it’s no different from a person looking at something and learning from it, implying that a multi-billion dollar company collating and labelling petabytes of data without permission to be used as the raw material to create their slop machine is no different from a human being being inspired by someone else’s art.

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Post by matthewaveryusa »

raincole wrote: post #560
wrigby wrote: post #553

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There are two completely distinct differences that jump out to me initially that I think may help justify your feelings: 1: Reading a long book demands focus on a longer timespan than scrolling TikTok, and with focusing on a single thing for a long time, we get a sense of accomplishment. I don’t know how to justify this as valuable, but for some reason I feel that it is. 2: The Song of Ice and Fire (and GoT) were con…

I think the point 2 will rub many people the wrong way (me included) though. That would make reading Fourth Wing or Twilight a more connecting experience than most classics. (Nothing inherently wrong with that, but... you know...)

The classics were classic because they were the most available and the most popular stories of their time, and they meant more in an era where creating and disseminating media was difficult. I love to romanticize a world where we go back to the classics to connect with our past and present better, even if just for the sake of efficiency. For better or for worse media is more ephemeral which means getting to a common vocabulary is one step removed. It's really a fun time to be alive.
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