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Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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I am quite confused by this point: > A new digital ID scheme will help combat illegal working If you are an immigrant you already have to prove your right to work with a share code: https://www.gov.uk/prove-right-to-work/get-a-share-code-onli... And if you claim to be a citizen you must show a passport or birth certificate: https://www.gov.uk/prove-right-to-work So how exactly will this new digital ID help "stop thos…

1) Cause a problem 2) Introduce a 'solution'

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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And, of course, that digital ID will require an "approved app" (blessed by Apple and Google) running on an unrooted phone. Don't want spyware running on your phone? Too bad.

Is this conjecture (I don't doubt it) or do you have a reference?

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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> All it takes is one breach or vulnerability and then yes, they DO have access to all your data. No they don't. If they breach the health system, they don't have access to tax returns. Just because people are identified by a single ID number doesn't mean all their data is being stored on the same server. And for purely organizational reasons, that's incredibly unlikely to happen. And I don't know what you mean by "s…

When a credential is stolen, its validity across multiple unrelated services is often checked by credential stuffing. That's just one type of simple attack. Has cybercrime been rendered obsolete with a government credential? Why is this master account immune to theft? On the contrary, it appears to be a credential that once stolen, could be more impactful than having your primary email account and phone compromised.…

Is this a _could_ happen or _has_ happened type problem?

I'm trying to understand if it is speculative or if we have a base-rate for occurrence.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Inability to work is going to be a far bigger deterrance to illegal immigration than any kind of border control you can put up. Regardless of all the propaganda immigrants aren't coming into the country in droves to bum around, commit crimes and get free services from the government. They want to be able to work and live a normal life. If you deny them that, they will look elsewhere.

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Be careful not to mix local customs and Sharia, very often they don't line up in Muslim-majority countries.

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Isn't a larger issue the number of immigrants who are NOT contributing to the economy, living at taxpayers' expense, with many immigrants engaging in crime?

No, this is not supported by any real evidence.

They could create a polite British form of ICE

I can think of few things the UK should do less than ape American attitudes to immigration currently.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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The French have no incentive to do the British immigration authorities' job for them. In fact, Britain very recently loudly quit an multilateral alliance that involved — among other things – common migration policy. Why shouldn't France give life jackets and boats to people who want to leave France?

I agree. I think the French are doing the right thing here. I only mentioned it because it's one of the many things governments do which encourage and normalise more coming. British politician could try to strike a deal with the French to stop them helping individual who try to enter the UK illegally, but obviously it would only make sense for them to do that if the British were also trying to stop people entering th…

The UK would arguably benefit from being able to redistribute migrants to other less-popular EU nations. For reasons inexplicable to me, many people seem keen on migrating to the UK.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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The number of rapes is at an all time high, increased more than fourfold in the last couple decades: https://www.statista.com/statistics/283100/recorded-rape-off...

I just overlaid that with the immigration into uk with that chart (both from statista) - charts are disturbingly similar trend. I would hope that its correlation and not causation but its definitely eye opening and kind of concerning. Assuming statista is a legit data source.

I will share with you this site, which will hopefully make a robust point about why you should not do this: https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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I guess you don't live in the UK, because winner takes all is far worse for backroom deals. The deals just end up being between factions within the same party! Deals and bargaining all happen AFTER a party takes power and completely hidden until a government can't pass their own bills like the Labour attempt to reform welfare. With proportional representation the deals are made in order to form a government, BEFORE i…

You take what happened in the two elections previously (and I know technically we don't vote for PMs, but they drive the agenda of the party). 2015 we voted for Cameron, ended up with May then Johnson 2019 we voted for Johnson, ended up with Truss(!!) then Sunak(!)

This time everyone voted for Starmer and got friend-of-Epstein Mandelson via McSweeney as a cut-out.

PMs don't drive the agenda. The UK is one of the most corrupt developed countries in the world. The people driving the agenda are billionaire and multi-millionaire donors.

PM is a sales job, not a strategy job, and increasingly ridiculous PMs have been selected because the donors have had enough of liberal democracy as a concept. If it stops working - which it pretty much has - there's going to be less resistance to removing it altogether.

Which is why there's resistance to Digital ID. There's widespread distrust - with reason - of the political establishment right across the divide.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Maybe your idea of afghani culture isn’t exactly representative. Also likely that the immigrants’ culture would differ from that of their native country.

The British government advises me against any travel to Afghanistan because Afghans might try to kill me. This is a country that fought a civil war in the pursuit of suppressing women's rights after all. > Also likely that the immigrants’ culture would differ from that of their native country. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/jun/16/donald-tru... I hope you're right and we're getting that 1% of moderate Afg…

Many of them are people who served alongside British forces, risking their lives to try and prevent the Taliban from turning Afghanistan back into a fundamentalist hellhole. They failed, the US failed, the UK failed, but I submit that most Afghan refugees have much more up-close-and-personal reasons to hate and fear Islamic fundamentalism than you do.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

#620
I don’t understand what is wrong with this system:

“Please employ me.”

“OK, fill out this form with your name, D.O.B. and national insurance number, and if it matches against the government database then you can have the job.”

What am I missing here? I suppose they could use someone else’s details, but then HMRC should be able to easily see that the NI account seems to have multiple taxpayers.

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