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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by EasyMark »

cs_throwaway wrote: post #271

I think a lot of people arguing about the H1B visa are talking past each other. - There is no doubt a large volume of abuse by tech consulting companies. It's likely even worse than it looks, because the H1Bs in the U.S. are to support even larger teams offshore. I don't understand why we can't just blacklist these companies. - Some of medium-skill hires, e.g., did a 2 year MS degree from random university in the U.S…

This fee doesn't make any sense to be honest. It's another "simple solution" by the current regime. Just like tariffs and "illegal immigration bad" . It's insane what Americans will put up with. Everything's a nail when you have a sledgehammer I guess.

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Post by thehappypm »

mothballed wrote: post #308
pimlottc wrote: post #296

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Because when it comes to immigration, the downside to getting it wrong are life-altering.

The expected value for immigrants is rapidly shifting into it being more favorable to be an illegal, because ICE/CBP is mostly going after low hanging fruit of easy to catch people that they know about with homes and salary jobs / university and a visa. People that are off paper and 100 miles past the border are as good as gone. So basically what we get is the exact opposite of what we want.

False.

ICE is about to have a ginormous work force

They’ll snatch whoever

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Post by darth_avocado »

sarchertech wrote: post #598
darth_avocado wrote: post #531

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Again, if you have terrible work conditions, you as an H1B have the same options as US citizens. You look for a different job and maybe suck it up for a couple of months, just like a US citizen would. And while yes, if have an ongoing green card process which takes 12-18 months, you may have an incentive to stick around to see it to completion, anyone who has their I-140, does not actually “lose their place” in the g…

>anyone who has their I-140 That’s doing a lot of heavy lifting, which is what I meant by depending on where they are in the process. You have 2 employees at the same company in a bad job market. If employee A gets laid off or fired, he has enough savings for a 2 year job search and can pay for COBRA for 18 months. If employee B gets fired or laid off, he has 60 days to find a job and make it through the hiring proce…

In a bad job market, a person with a mortgage and 4 people on their health insurance will work the same amount as someone who has 60 days to look for a different job. Paying COBRA for 18 months is wildly expensive and 2 years of job search is not an easy option as you’re making it out to be. It’s a hypothetical and most people won’t willingly put themselves in that situation.

And FYI, you have 60 days to search for jobs but you can convert to B visas and continue your job search for another year. USCIS has clarified that, so H1Bs are also not that constrained as you’re making it out to be.

https://x.com/USCIS/status/1638543885168263168

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Post by xyzelement »

duped wrote: post #602
xyzelement wrote: post #600

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As I alluded to in my prior comment - the fact that you are so ready to call people insane fascists (or in prior post, dumb or evil) is the end of the conversation. Wherever you live in the US, at least 1 out of 3 of your neighbors voted for Trump. That's a lot of random people to call fascist.

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Ok let me give you a richer answer. You ascribe to Republicans (so, to me) a belief that gays or trans shouldn't exist. Just like earlier you ascribed to us/me a hatred of immigrants.

These are (1) NOT MY VIEWS and (2) views I don't hear from actual Republicans.

If someone told me they hated immigrants or gays or trans I would tell them to fuck off and never speak to them again.

So what do I do with the fact that people like you easily ascribe horrific views to others and then consider them worthy of the Nuremberg trials? Doesn't leave much room to join your team does it.

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Post by jmpman »

gdulli wrote: post #119
jmpman wrote: post #66

If the $100k fee was then designated for STEM scholarships for underserved students, this policy would be continued even by the democrats. If the justification of H1B is that the US does not produce enough engineers, let’s financially encourage the domestic supply.

It's true they may agree in principle that the program needs reform. But culture war isn't policy. The actual policy implementation would look very different when motivated by good faith vs. hating brown people.

This policy applies to all H1B, not just India and China. Although Trump should have doubled the fee for India until they stop buying Russian oil.

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

roncesvalles wrote: post #314
ProllyInfamous wrote: post #284

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Doesn't seem fair to the citizens that live here. We should be taxing companies that have international leverage more . ¢¢ –– Citizen, former Data Center Electrician (still blue collar — I'll eagerly do the work if paid citizen-wages!)

>I'll eagerly do the work if paid citizen-wages What was the wage you were last offered?

IBEW - so prevailing wages.

Citizenship is a requirement for us blue collar union hacks. So is proper compensation (we're not tech gods but we eat good, too, and clearly aren't disposable==benefits/pension).

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Post by baggy_trough »

duped wrote: post #615
baggy_trough wrote: post #608

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You think that Republicans typically want gay and trans people to be killed, and if not, gone (where?)

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Back in the real world, this is not happening.

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

bialpio wrote: post #523
ProllyInfamous wrote: post #284

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Doesn't seem fair to the citizens that live here. We should be taxing companies that have international leverage more . ¢¢ –– Citizen, former Data Center Electrician (still blue collar — I'll eagerly do the work if paid citizen-wages!)

I hope your next potential employer rescinds the job offer 2 days before your start date, maybe that will make it clear to you why some of us think this is unfair.

It's happened — IBEW is thrive/perish — most of us grunts can handle a change in plans/jobs because we've always had to.

Welcome to reality, and welcome back home.

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Post by duped »

xyzelement wrote: post #614
duped wrote: post #602

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Ok let me give you a richer answer. You ascribe to Republicans (so, to me) a belief that gays or trans shouldn't exist. Just like earlier you ascribed to us/me a hatred of immigrants. These are (1) NOT MY VIEWS and (2) views I don't hear from actual Republicans. If someone told me they hated immigrants or gays or trans I would tell them to fuck off and never speak to them again. So what do I do with the fact that peo…

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