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Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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Just out of curiosity, how much compensation would people be willing to leave on the table in lieu of "Remote" work? (this is different to, how much would you ASK to go from remote to a new in-office job). 10%, 25%, 50%? I've worked remotely for 5 years now, and there is NO way I would return to an office based job. I even have moved to a small town where there are practically 0 tech jobs; and at this point there's N…

Personally I'd probably want a 25-50% increase to go 100% remote. I hate fully remote working.

Good strategy. Get bigger salary AND the perk. Keep slaying, king.

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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I have worked for 7 years in the office and 7 years remote, and for me the 7 years remote were not as enjoyable.

I like the routines and processes that I adhere to more when I have a separate work location; I find it more difficult to adhere to those same processes when I can roll out of bed and walk to my computer half asleep and zone in on work.

For example, I find it much more likely I’ll consistently shower, get dressed, eat breakfast etc, when I go into the office than when I work from home.

Additionally, when working remote, I find that there’s often more of a bias towards threads or messages starting off related to something work related; I do try to ask about colleagues weekends occasionally for example, but when remote it often feels more like you’re consuming their bandwidth or attention vs just minor conversation in passing.

Sometimes things take time to compile, or conversations over text-mediums are difficult; having a manager nearby that can sense when things are difficult and more effectively help is great. I’ve had many times where I’ve sighed about something and my coworker heard and asked what got me flustered and explaining it helped lead to resolution.

What I would suggest is that perhaps some teams should be remote and some local if possible to facilitate different types of employees.

I totally get working remote, I’d probably do it if I was back in a relationship and/or had kids.

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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> cameras on 100% i hate the idea of camera on 100% of the time. I am not presentable when WFH. That's the point. I might also be on the toilet - which otherwise is dead time!

Cameras off is a drain for collaboration. Frankly, I think your productivity would benefit from RTO. Professionalism does help in collaboration.

When I solve problems, I need text, I need diagrams, I need demos (i.e. screen sharing).

I don’t need faces, unless I’m interrogating somebody.

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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I was very clear, I thought, when I said “RTO mandates are about...”, that I was not saying “All of these factors are relevant to Microsoft”. With Microsoft its probably mostly (3), with maybe some degree of (2), with (1) maybe, especially in the political salience, being a plus in the eyes of some decision-makers but not really driving the decision. There are firms (and public agencies) where the relationship betwee…

No CEO cares about commercial real estate profits. It isn't a factor in any major company decision. Why not extend the baseless paranoia and say it is because they want to see auto company profits go up? And also support petroleum companies? Or is it just real estate that is boogeyman secretly running the country behind the scenes?

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Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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Only if you're talking about US market.

Can you call out any other market where another profession is as highly paid and accessible?

I can tell that in Portugal it is a highly paid as any office worker, meaning bad, with unpaid overtime, and until you make it into manager you're failing.

Also doctors and business owners not only make it much more, there are plenty of under the table payment possibilities.

I also know of offshoring countries where folks working in tourism make more in tips from foreigners that any IT worker can ever dream off.

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Cameras off is a drain for collaboration. Frankly, I think your productivity would benefit from RTO. Professionalism does help in collaboration.

When I solve problems, I need text, I need diagrams, I need demos (i.e. screen sharing). I don’t need faces, unless I’m interrogating somebody.

> I .. I .. I.. I.. I..

In all seriousness: you've outlined what you need. Perhaps you should reflect on what any collaborator needs.

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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3 is very real. Sometimes even openly so, as in an executive telling it out loud. > And nobody is dumb enough to do RTO as a layoff proxy because anybody with a brain knows you're going to lose the people with options, who are exactly the people you don't want to lose. Here is what our CEO told me once: layoffs always mean you loose more people then those you just fired. That is unavoidable and can amount to addition…

Well RTO mandate means you lose ONLY the good people with other options or make the people with no options have animosity since the deal was changed

Being willing to switch employer for convenience does not make someone a good worker and it's not like bad hires can't change employer. I'm guessing the best employee would be someone who hates change and is financially illiterate. Never asks for a raise, works in the same company, does the same thing for 30 years for the same money.

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Well every company just happens to be undertaking RTO at the same time so it seems to be above the exec level. I’ve seen hypotheses on here that city councils are putting on pressure to boost their local economies and another that boards of directors are pushing this as the last chance to layoff->outsource before H-1Bs are banned. Whatever it is, it certainly doesn’t appear to stem from innovative or independent exec…

What leverage does a city council hold over a remote business?

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Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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If you believe that is the case, it is very simple to use some of that pay to buy a slice of that ownership via your preferred brokerage application.

It’s a wonder that people still work for a living when all you have to do is buy a share of SPY, suddenly elevating you to same level as your boss.

Well, how else are you going to buy the share?

(I don't think further engaging on this would be meaningful, as the reactions are all coming from a place of prejudice to state of the world.)

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