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Post by bitlax »

slater wrote: post #532
bitlax wrote: post #329

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You don't have the necessary background to participate in the discussion. I posted my thoughts sincerely but I'm not holding a tutoring session.

> You don't have the necessary background to participate in the discussion. Neither do you.

I remember the NewsHour when it was MacNeil/Lehrer. I can tell you when Ken Burns jumped the shark. I watched Sesame Street before it was peppered with digital glitter (which is one of many reasons my kids don't watch it). I've listened to NPR since I was a little boy. I've never claimed to be anything but an avid consumer of public media over several decades, and I watched the decline happen in real-time. The person I responded to can't think of a single example of racial or sexual programming, which has been fairly common for the last couple of decades. I've been commenting on forums long enough to know that this conversation is going nowhere. I sincerely believe this person should just do some very simple searches on the PBS website or their YouTube channel to see what sorts of things people might find objectionable. But I'm not interested in naming an example (or three) which will be quickly dismissed. You and the other poster may not like it, but that is my prerogative. There are lurkers and other posters who may find the comments useful or may find my statements compelling.

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Post by mulmen »

timr wrote: post #356
mulmen wrote: post #280

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We have a capitalist economy, not a capitalist society. The government exists to fill gaps where the market fails. CPB is one example of this. USPS is another. People who look at these organizations like businesses are fools.

> We have a capitalist economy, not a capitalist society. Last time I checked, "society" is a concept defined entirely by the behaviors and preferences of the people within it. You may want society not to be capitalist, but that's your opinion.

A society defined by the opinions of it's populace is called democracy.

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Post by mulmen »

user3939382 wrote: post #588
mulmen wrote: post #269

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Why is that a problem?

Because it’s morally reprehensible and I don’t want my tax dollars used for that purpose that’s why. Clearly you do but fortunately we live in a democracy where you’re outnumbered.

What do you find morally reprehensible about drag queens?

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Post by specialist »

lenkite wrote: post #525
specialist wrote: post #435

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Why would anyone care about A's criticism of competitor B? -- FWIW: "The Washington Stand is Family Research Council’s outlet for news and commentary from a biblical worldview. The Washington Stand is based in Washington, D.C. and is published by FRC, whose mission is to advance faith, family, and freedom in public policy and the culture from a biblical worldview. We invite you to stand with us by partnering with FRC…

eyeroll . Might want to look at the original article by the NPR veteran himself which was the first one posted, but has a paywall. The Washington Stand only elaborated it. Argue based on the facts and merits of the article.

I read Uri's piece ages ago. n=1

I also read the rebuttal from his former colleaques. n=15 (?)

It's just another entertainment industry food foght.

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Post by specialist »

dizlexic wrote: post #513
specialist wrote: post #431

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Have you read Robert Caro's The Power Broker? It's a biography of Robert Moses.

Robert Moses did not build the USA highway system. Robert Moses was racist. What was done to some communities was messed up. The highway system isn't racist.

Are you confusing freeways and highways?

Robert Caro details Moses' role wrt highways & suburbia in NYC, nationally, and even internationally.

IMHO, having never Moses, I'd wager he was classist. (Moses allegedly also hated poor and immigrant Jews.) As you know in the USA economy & society, classist ~= racist.

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Post by WalterBright »

toomanyrichies wrote: post #593
WalterBright wrote: post #591

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FEMA failed, and Musk stepped in to help. If people didn't like Musk, nobody made them do business with him. Complaining that someone would have to fill out a form to get free money is not a compelling argument.

So “help” and “buyer beware” are now synonyms. Got it. > Complaining that someone would have to fill out a form to get free money is not a compelling argument. Again, A+ effort on the cherry-picking. I call BS on the expectation that hurricane victims will read the fine print about a $120/month rate increase after they’ve just lost their homes. If Musk’s goal is to “help” hurricane victims, maybe he can offer them so…

> I call BS on the expectation that hurricane victims will read the fine print about a $120/month rate increase after they’ve just lost their homes.

They can simply cancel.

> If Musk’s goal is to “help” hurricane victims, maybe he can offer them something better than a bait-and-switch.

Again, FEMA offered nothing. Musk came in with Starlink. I should look into Starlink. It's cheaper than my cell phone plan plus internet plan.

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Post by Amezarak »

spencerflem wrote: post #505
sfblah wrote: post #496

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Is there some written work online that represents your viewpoint on the NYT? I'd genuinely like to read it. I'm a centrist person who can absolutely see that Fox is on the right. But, I can also see that NPR and NYT are on the left. It's hard for me to understand how someone could with any seriousness disagree. But I'm interested in reading more about your viewpoint on this.

“The Left” does not mean to the left of you personally. It’s like how there’s only two types of drivers, insane speeders and insane slowpokes and that’s true no matter how fast you drive :p The “left” in terms of voters is against the genocide in Gaza and for socialist policies and candidates like Mamdani. Plenty of polls and evidence supports this. NYT undid their endorsement policy to specifically Not endorse mamda…

> The “left” in terms of voters is against the genocide in Gaza and for socialist policies and candidates like Mamdani. Plenty of polls and evidence supports this.

Not only are "left" and "right" vague relative terms used to classify the electorate in the US, they also encompass a whole array of issues an things that aren't binaries that fit on the axis. Someone can be pro-Israel and yet overall of the left; just as someone can be very pro-Palestine and yet overall of the right. In fact on this particular issue this seems more and more common - the real divide is probably generational versus political. I recently heard a segment on the radio from a convervative evangelical bemoaning that their future leaders were increasingly "anti-Israel" and this was a huge problem.

In America, we simply roughly assign Democratic positions - left, Republican position - right. These are both really big tents. "Left" positions include support of candidates like Sanders or Mamdami but also in practice even stronger support for candidates like Clinton and Biden.

Arguing that someone is "on the right" simply because they don't support your candidate of choice is silly; it's sort of like the rightists out there arguing Trump is a liberal RINO because he doesn't support the bedrock conservative principle of free trade.

> Their opinion columns like David Brooks etc are blowhard conservatives too.

NYT does make a show of having a "balanced" opinion panel and David Brooks is one of the token (2 of 11 in the source link) conservatives, but it seems strange to describe such a bland, anodyne person (also anti-Trump, by the way) as a blowhard. IIRC one of the complaints from the opinion editor that got fired for printing pro-Trump letters to the editor was that not one single columnist was pro-Trump and therefore obviously didn't represent any mainstream conservative audience.

edit: this was the nyt article I was thinking of: https://www.economist.com/1843/2023/12/14/when-the-new-york-...

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Post by mextrezza »

toomanyrichies wrote: post #535
tptacek wrote: post #451

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I looked only at the New Mexico numbers, and they seem to be dwarfed by their own streaming numbers through Passport. Those OTA viewers are just going to switch to streaming.

If New Mexicans were truly going to turn en masse to PBS Passport streaming, why haven't they done so already? – Nearly one in five households lacks any fixed home internet connection. Many of those rely on cellular data that’s unreliable or capped, i.e. not viable for high‑quality streaming. [1] – Over 20% of residents, especially in rural and tribal areas, live in broadband deserts where wired speeds of 25/3 Mbps s…

good post, thank you.

this thread so patiently explains to us that these people do not even exist. Oh, but not in significant numbers. Oh, but they have other options. Oh, but they will get broadband in 20 years.

Nobody who MATTERS is impacted. Nothing to see here, move along. /s

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Post by Eisenstein »

ptero wrote: post #578
Eisenstein wrote: post #570

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Which Federal policy was it that led to that class cancelation?

Some equal access policy that it was worried about. Do you have kids? If so, what age(s)?

Are you trying to distract from the fact that you can't actually give any specifics about any of this and sound like you are working from talking points by asking me about my children?

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Post by spencerflem »

Amezarak wrote: post #617
spencerflem wrote: post #505

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“The Left” does not mean to the left of you personally. It’s like how there’s only two types of drivers, insane speeders and insane slowpokes and that’s true no matter how fast you drive :p The “left” in terms of voters is against the genocide in Gaza and for socialist policies and candidates like Mamdani. Plenty of polls and evidence supports this. NYT undid their endorsement policy to specifically Not endorse mamda…

> The “left” in terms of voters is against the genocide in Gaza and for socialist policies and candidates like Mamdani. Plenty of polls and evidence supports this. Not only are "left" and "right" vague relative terms used to classify the electorate in the US, they also encompass a whole array of issues an things that aren't binaries that fit on the axis. Someone can be pro-Israel and yet overall of the left; just as…

Idk, it feels a lot to me that NYT is taking marching orders from the same people that control the Fox News propaganda machine.

Obviously NYT is rarely explicitly pro-Trump but that's not their point. Instead, they give a liberal’s framing on right wing talking points.

For example, they ran the manufactured Claudine Gay story front page 10 days in a row. They give the “sensible liberal”s take on why trans people should not get healthcare. Article 3 today is pro tariffs.

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