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Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by mafuy »

jajko wrote: post #516
somenameforme wrote: post #352

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The problem is that people have become so divided that the smallest of offenses by 'the other side' is blown up into the most egregious act since the birth of man, and the worst of offenses 'by our side' is turned into the smallest of issues, a technicality, perhaps not even especially real. This is why you might think that isn't usual to not bother hiding the corruption, because I assure you most on "the other side"…

WTF does this primitive incorrect argument that "banks were given hundreds of billions" - you make your whole post irrelevant when clearly unfamiliar with basic facts on topic you so furiously discuss. Those money were loaned and were returned back with interest , so US government actually earned some good money. Do you understand each word in that sentence and its overall meaning? I am not defending banks and their…

Can you share a link to read more about this?

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Post by vorpalhex »

Suppafly wrote: post #384
AlotOfReading wrote: post #123

I'm not sure even Tesla unambiguously qualifies here. Looking at the NHTSA part 583 list for 2025 [0], none of the Tesla vehicles have a "US" content higher than 75% (which I think includes Canada?). The highest is the base Kia EV6 at 80%. This seems to be coming from the Kogod manufacturing index. That's a more qualitative ranking that attempts to deal with things like corporate structures rather than just origin li…

My immediate assumption was that Tesla lies and probably has more offshore content than most of their competitors.

Sounds like a poor assumption on an audited fact.

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Post by ethbr1 »

vlovich123 wrote: post #455
ethbr1 wrote: post #429

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> Given how Amazon tried to start showing the cost of the tariffs on their site, Trump publicly threatened them, and they backed down with hours... The facts: - There was a report that Amazon was going to begin showing prices - Amazon clarified that was for their low-cost Amazon Haul site, not their main one - The White House griped about them at a press briefing - There were reports Trump called Bezos The whole thin…

Amazon has backed off on doing it for Haul after Trump’s press secretary publicly flamed them invoking a direct conversation with him: > “The team that runs our ultra low cost Amazon Haul store considered the idea of listing import charges on certain products,” Amazon spokesperson Tim Doyle said in a statement. “This was never approved and is not going to happen.” > Trump told reporters Tuesday afternoon that Bezos “…

> Of course it’s pure speculation

This is what I was taking issue with.

And also, please don't do the currently en vogue thing of mentioning something unrelated to buttress an argument against Trump.

There's plenty of on-topic fuckups from this administration that you don't need to do the Fox News-style "and what about..." emotion bait.

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Post by NoGravitas »

jongjong wrote: post #315
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I'd argue that keeping Musk wealthy is contrary to the interests of most Americans.

I disagree. I agree that the system shouldn't be creating so many billionaires. It's a flaw in the system. But Musk is among the best of them IMO and his contrarian position makes him essential, even if you disagree with him and his politics. There needs to be opposing forces among the elite or else we're sure to walk down the path of totalitarianism. I generally agree with Musk's politics but I wouldn't want all bil…

Most billionaires are pretty bad, and Musk is among the worst of them.

I had a think for a while about the least bad billionaire, and I'm going to go with Taylor Swift. The worst thing she does is have an astronomical personal carbon footprint, which is true of all billionaires.

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Post by lenerdenator »

guywithahat wrote: post #354
lenerdenator wrote: post #115

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> In the long run, unions can be blamed for this whole Trump Presidency. Yeah, how dare they do the things that make reactionaries be... reactionary.

I think there was a lot of pressure on Tesla/Elon to donate and participate more, and higher ups turned pretty hard on him when he didn't. They were pulling the tax credit from Tesla while holding EV summits with everyone but him. I don't think he was being reactionary, I think his hand was forced. Further he really isn't a conservative. He's still running around on X talking about how we need to double the number of…

He's incredibly conservative. He very much likes the idea of Neo-feudalism. You have a class that owns everything (of which he's the prime example right now) and then you have a class that labors to rent things from people like him. Those who don't - or can't - play that game are simply not fit to survive.

It's a school of thought so old that we barely recognize it anymore, but that's what he wants to return to. Lots of tech bros are into it.

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Post by lenerdenator »

rat87 wrote: post #337
porphyra wrote: post #164

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The democrats also tried to pass legislation in 2021 that excludes Tesla from an EV credit due to it being not built by unions, even though Tesla has by far the largest share of electric vehicles and is the most productive and innovative company in this sector.

Yeah because they were anti union. It wasn't because of any personal dislike of Elon. And it was inevitable that the more mainstream automakers would sell more evs then Tesla as EVs became a larger and larger share of cars sold. Granted it's taking longer than expected but Tesla is no longer the majority even if it's overall has a large plurality but falling pretty fast

For guys like that, being pro-union is personal dislike.

They see themselves as the smartest, strongest, most clever people in history. They don't need some group moderating their plans, much less one made of people they hired. Any suggestion to the contrary is a strike against the natural order that they perceive reality through.

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Post by davidw »

mlrtime wrote: post #593
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I’m struck by how some still seem unable to grasp the power of soft influence. Africa now has even fewer incentives to side with anyone but China. America’s strength has long rested on its deep alliances and its knack for creating prosperity abroad—but that advantage is eroding fast.

Are you struck at the possibility of a inner-city family on welfare, or poor rural areas thinking that the US should be spending fungible dollars on them and not someone half way across the world?

Is the current administration planning on increasing aid to those people?

It seems like they actually plan on cutting it, so I don't think your argument has any weight.

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Post by mindslight »

fullshark wrote: post #143
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Trump has literally been prattling about his love of tariffs for decades and was explicit about his plans to heavily leverage tariffs during his campaign.. I think you might just want an excuse to believe what you already believe

I just think a lot of democrats really haven't paid attention to how Trump has morphed the Republican party and the realignment that has been going on. They still think of a Republican as George w. Bush / John McCain / Mitt Romney even though they have all been effectively excommunicated from the party. I think part of it was hope was Trump was a momentary blip but that's obviously no longer the case.

By my reckoning, Trump is just the reactionary talk radio monster of Limbaugh, Gingrich, and others finally escaping its cage. They'd get people all riled up with low-information rage against the gubmint, and then dial it back just enough to herd them to the booth to vote for establishment republicans. The main way the party has morphed is that the inmates have finally taken over the asylum.

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Post by vlovich123 »

mmooss wrote: post #479
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Right and > If someone I know committed murder, like almost everyone - organized crime members are very few in the population - I would absolutely not overlook it. What an absurd argument. Fails to define murder and focused on organized crime vs what if it was your best friend, wife, close relative etc. it’s easy to claim how you’ll react in an abstract scenario but revealed preferences often show something happening…

You're just throwing crap at the wall hoping something will stick. It has nothing to do with me. The idea that people support murder in those cases is pretty crazy. You are living in an Internet unreality.

If you think murder it’s easy to define, go look at how many different kinds of murder are defined in the US legal code and how every country defines it differently. And military kills are excluded even though definitively I fail to see the distinction between a war and political violence - it’s just external instead of internal. What is and isn’t murder is surprisingly hard to define and you’re either using a legal definition that’s a political compromise of different ideas or your own value judgement which is your opinion and not necessarily one shared with others. Seriously - try writing down what you think murder is in 3 sentences or less and see how far you are away from the legal code in your country.
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