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Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by colordrops »

uniqueuid wrote: post #50
aucisson_masque wrote: post #24

I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

You’re not arrested for posting this, so that is a pretty big difference to Russia (and other authoritarian nations like China and Turkey), no? https://rsf.org/en/country/russia

My wife deleted all her social media posts because she's a green card holder. Let's stop mincing words.

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Post by Braxton1980 »

d0gsg0w00f wrote: post #418
maeil wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chris Krebs just yesterday had his security clearance revoked solely for saying the 2020 election was fair and not rigged. His coworkers at SentinelOne (almost certainly most of who are citizens) also had their clearances revoked, despite never speaking out on the topic, purely as a North Korea style "punish the whole family" approach to strike fear into people of guilt by association, so that those who have spoken o…

To be fair...the other side was just as ferocious when someone postulated that the election was rigged, or that COVID couldn't be stopped by masks. You're essentially asking for conservatives to be the bigger person and stop the blood feud. IMO both approaches should have been more measured, but who do you think will propose the ceasefire agreement?

>To be fair...the other side was just as ferocious when someone postulated that the election was rigged,

No they weren't

Not in the amount of court cases, elected politicans stating the view, and January 6th

When a few Democrats starting objecting to the 2016 results. Joe Biden, in congress during the certification, slammed the gavel down and said "it's over"

https://www.npr.org/2017/01/06/508562183/biden-to-democrats-...

To even compare the two situations it's insane.

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Post by Braxton1980 »

aeternum wrote: post #142
bcrosby95 wrote: post #130

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It doesn't matter if they're citizens or not if the government is skipping court thus not being required to prove it either way. Then when they oopsie you to another country they have to at least try to pretend to get you back but the courts need to show "deference owed to the executive branch in the conduct of foreign affairs". Which is a long way of saying the executive can blackhole anyone it wants to a foreign co…

>Which is a long way of saying the executive can blackhole anyone it wants Do you have examples of the executive doing this to citizens or are you being hypothetical here? Countries generally grant far fewer rights to non-citizens. Have you considered how allowing non-citizens to spread discontent within a country could be abused?

>Countries generally grant far fewer rights to non-citizens. Have you considered how allowing non-citizens to spread discontent within a country could be abused?

The most powerful person in the country lied and still is lying about elected fraud, undermining the basis for our Democratic system and was rewarded with a 2nd term.

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Post by Braxton1980 »

mmooss wrote: post #564
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #417

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The executive branch is merely going to ignore everything and then apply pardon powers to any sort of actual enforcement by the judiciary branch. But how can this judiciary enforce anything, or the legislative for that matter?

You are believing the trash talk and allowing it to intimidate you. You are helping them by spreading it and legitimizing it. The executive branch is obeying the courts, with some pushback.

Is it an issue that the Executive is trash talking "they aren't going to obey the courts" ? You think that should be ignored?

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

mmooss wrote: post #536
NoTeslaThrow wrote: post #63

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Indeed. The editorial boards of these newsrooms are often staffed with people who attended the same schools and classes as those running the country. The social circles of the two worlds are extremely closely linked. Of course, this means that the reporting isn't very good at addressing its blind spots–i.e., most of the news in the country, let alone the world, that isn't relevant to the ivy league coastal elites. An…

> The editorial boards of these newsrooms are often staffed with people who attended the same schools and classes as those running the country. The social circles of the two worlds are extremely closely linked. This is a conspiracy theory - they are secretly conspiring. Do you have evidence of this conspiracy actually happening on any scale? Many attended the same universities on all sides of politics and issues. The…

>This is a conspiracy theory

Doesn't meet the criteria of what people typically call a conspiracy theory. It's easily verified or debunked by amateurs with publicly available information, it doesn't seem absurd on its face, and it makes no claims other than those of association (certainly none of blatant felony, coup, or world domination).

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Post by Braxton1980 »

elcritch wrote: post #264
colanderman wrote: post #209

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Rumeysa Ozturk did not overstay her visa nor advocate violence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_R%C3%BCmeysa_%C3%... Nor did Rasha Alawieh: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Rasha_Alawieh

And cases like Rumeysa Ozturk's are different. I also believe DHS should have to abide by the courts as well. Her case is also getting national and international attention and legal help.

Why is DHS going after these people in the first place?

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Post by hello_computer »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #24

I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

The college deportations are the government, but I would guess that the Meta compliance has more to do with the fact that Cheryl Sandberg is a politically-connected turbo-Zionist.

I wish we were neutral on this issue. As an American, it is not my business. I am in no position to justly arbitrate between them. But our politicians are whores, our Zionists have deep pockets, and they're not afraid to empty them out for the cause, so it looks like America's taxpayers are all on Team Zionist, whether we like it or not.

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Post by Braxton1980 »

elcritch wrote: post #555
thatcat wrote: post #510

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gp's example is a slippery slope fallacy, adjusting political speech by deportation seems inappropriate.

There is a difference in a foreign national engaging in political speech and a citizen. If anything allowing foreign nationals to adjust political speech here while supporting violence or terrorism would be inappropriate and unwise. After all, it's easy for a foreign power to send radicalizers to a foreign country to influence or topple them. Well trodeen history there. Sending radical students is much more effective…

https://www.aipac.org/

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

packetlost wrote: post #189
gs17 wrote: post #165

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They were asking about it happening to citizens. From your article: > Mr Garcia, a Salvadoran

He's married to a citizen which gives him an avenue towards legal residency and full citizenship. It doesn't matter anyways because the government admitted he was deported due to a administrative error and because they actively undermined and sidestepped the courts authority on several occasions, there is effectively nothing stopping them from doing it to full blown citizens. Honestly, it sounds like it's just a matt…

>He's married to a citizen which gives him an avenue towards legal residency and full citizenship.

You seem as if you're trying to leverage that to actual citizen rights... "look, he could be a citizen someday, so that means he has these same rights reserved to citizens". But it does not work that way.

>there is effectively nothing stopping them from doing it to full blown citizens.

Be sure to raise the alarm when they do. I'd be curious if it ever got that far. I think that some on the left worry that it might not, because if they don't have the absurd slippery slope argument then many people would never be concerned about this at all.

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

bawolff wrote: post #235

The missing part of this article: are the requests valid? Are they actually incitements to terrorism and violence or is it just a clamp down on criticism? The headline of the article implies the latter but the body does not provide any evidence for that. Like there is a war going on, a pretty nasty one at that. I would expect there to be quite a lot of incitement to violence related to that. I would expect the israel…

> The missing part of this article: are the requests valid?

They are enforced with neither human nor AI review, so the reality is that we don't know. They are enforced by virtue of who submits them, with no question on whether they are valid or not.

Having heard from friends the kind of censorship they face on the topic on Facebook and Instagram when discussing the topics at hand, I know of plenty of situations where people were censored without breaking any rules. They're a small sample of course.

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