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Trump temporarily drops tariffs to 10% for most countries

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Is anyone sure this is not stock manipulation? Honest question.

This is pure manipulation. It was engineered to just that from the start. Since it's America, no investigation will be done to look into who profited here - possibly billions off regular people who had margin calls. 3rd world country.

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#612

i wonder why the rest of the world doesn't just come together for a while and stop trading / providing raw materials to the u.s. for let's say a year or so. isn't this all just a huge pile of bluff poker?

A lot of people have jobs dependent on business as usual. You don't want to just fire the workers for a year.

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#613

If the country gets rich from tariffs why stop them?

This is where I don't follow Trump's logic. Trump and Musk were claiming that the US will push super high tariffs, that it will make the US rich, and hinting that it will maybe even be possible to suppress the income tax.

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"It’s the T-bills wot dun it." That’s my read on why the U.S. just paused the global tariff hike to 10%. From the beginning, I’ve believed the executive branch's real goal was to push down the yield on the 10-year Treasury. Why? Because Uncle Sam has to refinance a mountain of debt this year, and the cost of that depends heavily on Treasury yields — especially the 10-year. That’s the rate that sets the tone for every…

> Instead of being seen as a safe haven, U.S. debt itself started to look shaky

There's also a more basic answer to why US debt got more expensive. There is no such thing as a "trade deficit". You cannot import something without exporting something else. That something else, in almost 100% of the situations, is dollars. What do you do with dollars, if there's nothing you want to buy? You buy debt. So, every trade deficit ultimately tends to export debt. We have long known that government debt is proportional to trade deficits.

The problem with tariffs, in this context, is that they are being used as a signal that we don't want to sell people dollars anymore, explicitly saying "no more trade deficits". In doing so we are choking off the supply of dollars used to buy debt (rather abruptly), so that US debt is chasing fewer dollars and has to give a bigger yield as a result.

What's worse, is that because we are signalling that the tariffs are meant to be permanent, and we're seeing reciprocal tariffs as a result. When that happens, it means that using dollars in the future will purchase fewer US goods, so the time discount of money has gone up too. Further driving up yields to make bonds attractive enough to sell.

Re: Trump temporarily drops tariffs to 10% for most countries

#615

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congress does have the power (article I, section 8), however it delegated this power to the president for "extraordinary" situations with certain laws.

"Extraordinary", such as a fictional fentanyl emergency at the northern border (despite the fact that a trivial amount of fentanyl enters the U.S. from Canada, and more enters Canada from the U.S.). Of course, you have Congress to keep the President in check that these are real emergencies. Which is why the House will definitely be bringing S.J.Res. 37 to the floor, right? Because it's their sworn duty to act as a ch…

There's a reason the saying, "in America we have three coequal branches of government: the Supreme Court rules, the President crimes, and Congress is just for fun" has become popular since some time after his first inauguration.

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#617
Why does the market like this? Tariffs are in place and unpredictability is now the norm. Tomorrow something new crazy will come out and then the next day and the next day. Even if US markets like this right now, the long term damage has been done. Betting on the medium-long term seems questionable at best.

Re: Trump temporarily drops tariffs to 10% for most countries

#618

"It’s the T-bills wot dun it." That’s my read on why the U.S. just paused the global tariff hike to 10%. From the beginning, I’ve believed the executive branch's real goal was to push down the yield on the 10-year Treasury. Why? Because Uncle Sam has to refinance a mountain of debt this year, and the cost of that depends heavily on Treasury yields — especially the 10-year. That’s the rate that sets the tone for every…

You are assigning too much rationality to this group of people. The cruelty is the point, not some hare-brained scheme to push down yield or whatever.

Re: Trump temporarily drops tariffs to 10% for most countries

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The 10% apparently also apply to Canada and Mexico now, which they didn’t before: > In a strange turn of events, the president seems to have added another 10 percent tariff to Canada and Mexico. Asked earlier if the 10 percent tariff extended to those countries, Scott Bessent, the Treasury secretary, said that it did. And a White House official clarified for me just now that that was the case. Previously, Canada and…

Seems they reversed course on that. Or, they don’t know what they’re doing. > It's been a confusing day. > As Verity said, it turns out Canada and Mexico are not getting a new 10 per cent tariff after all. > The White House reversed its earlier announcement in a new statement just now. Here's the bottom line: No new developments for Canada and Mexico today. > That means there are still worldwide 25 per cent tariffs o…

They know what they are doing. The goal is decoupling from China. They raised tariffs on everyone to see which countries stood with US and which stood with China. Once each country has made their allegiance clear, they delay the deadline to give more time for negotiation. They likely want every ally to raise their tariffs on China to be very very high, to avoid any more transshipping from China.

Re: Trump temporarily drops tariffs to 10% for most countries

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The 10% apparently also apply to Canada and Mexico now, which they didn’t before: > In a strange turn of events, the president seems to have added another 10 percent tariff to Canada and Mexico. Asked earlier if the 10 percent tariff extended to those countries, Scott Bessent, the Treasury secretary, said that it did. And a White House official clarified for me just now that that was the case. Previously, Canada and…

This seems to have been clarified to not be the case, as of 30m ago -- no change to Canada/Mexico:

>There’s no change to Canada and Mexico tariffs, indicating that their levies aren’t going down to the 10% baseline. Recall that Trump initially threatened a 25% surtax on each of them. That morphed over time to affect non-USMCA compliant goods -- and it’s not crystal-clear exactly what proportion of Canadian and Mexican shipments that then affects. Canadian energy products also got a smaller rate.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/live-blog/2025-04-08/trump-ta...

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