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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Neither of these countries has a free speech provision in the constitution. To the opposite, both explicitly ban certain kinds of speech.

Germany does guarantees free speech in article 5 of its constitution.

It also states it might be limited by law. So you can’t promote nazism and call it free speech.

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How can one be this delusional? I have the feeling you don't understand what a libertarian is or what the enlightenment was about

Instead of piecing together a well reasoned retort that refutes my arguments, you're calling me "delusional". Please learn how to disagree. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy...

This isn't a forensics class. People are allowed to point out what they think is obvious without having to explain it in detail. And it's rude to insist that they do more than you've done yourself.

The article everyone's commenting on provides numerous examples of things Trump has done, some of which, such as calling for the use of the government against political rivals, are against libertarian ideals. Rather than address any of those directly, you've resorted to handwaving and providing examples of things you personally approve of. That could reasonably be seen as a failure to engage with reality, which would be delusional.

However, I don't know why the specific person you're responding to thinks you're delusional. I am not them.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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This is a really good compilation that should make any "free-speech absolutist" reconsider their support for the current administration. In my understanding, the commonplace interpretation of the first amendment is largely due to a series of landmark cases through the early to mid-20th century. A lot of expansions were provided to the amendment that have been taken for granted since then and we are now going to see c…

Theres no such thing as a free speech absolutist. Supposed free speech absolutists demand reversals of bans from platforms for people due to hate speech. Not 1 is demanding the same for spammers or fraudsters.

A libertarian will argue that fraud is an act that is not the same as free speech and hence is not covered by free speech. I don't agree with the libertarian viewpoints overall, however I will acknowledge they have a point about the distinction between those two things.

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As a person who lived in the States for a bit, and listened to a lot of news, I remember always this almost fawning over the Founding Fathers, checks and balances and great American constitution. It is remarkable, how easy it all goes, and most people don't do anything (i.e. out of 100 top law firms, only a handful joined the lawsuit against the government, etc.)

My understanding is, anyone who resists will get crucified and lose money. Nobody wants to lose customers or money. It's funny when you talk to people with money, who completely disagree with the administration, will go and say the opposite publicly because they don't want to deal with the mob.

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As a person who lived in the States for a bit, and listened to a lot of news, I remember always this almost fawning over the Founding Fathers, checks and balances and great American constitution. It is remarkable, how easy it all goes, and most people don't do anything (i.e. out of 100 top law firms, only a handful joined the lawsuit against the government, etc.)

As an American born to immigrants, I love the vision of the founding fathers, but I don't understand why they are so revered by some. They were slave owners who, at the time, had some pretty radical ideas for how to run a country. Some ideas were great and stood the test of time, and some were terrible and required amendments. We can't solve today's problems by thinking like dudes from the 1700s.

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If I were to share this article with some loved ones, they would say the press deserves it for all the fake news and unfair treatment of the current administration. As for the signal aspect, the last discussion I was a part of devolved into “ MI6 did it to make trump’s team look bad”. There is some bogus ‘news’ article to back this up. I don’t know how we got here, but it’s devastating and scary.

Stupid people got unfettered access to the internet. Essentially, this is all Steve Job's fault.

Hot take: it's a failure of democratic competition. The US doesn't have proportional representation, and it's long maintained a duopoly of two electable parties, and a first-past-the-post system that makes any vote for a 3rd party a waste. This, coupled with the Democrats not fronting up a reformist candidate when they could have (Sanders shot down twice), permitted the only anti-establishment candidate to win, and that happened to be a callous individual that aligns with minds as cruel as his own. (By his own admission, 'the tougher and meaner they are, the better I get along with them'.) It's hard to believe that even die-hard Republican politicians are totally on-board with this reformist agenda that's going to completely decimate the economy, but most certainly, if anyone is winning by the end of it, it will be them.

That said, if there's ever another free and fair US election, the Democrats have a real opportunity to put a candidate that can actually deliver remaking the country, but in a way that lifts all boats, and without throwing out hard-won democratic freedoms. But I'm pretty certain they'll just front up another establishment candidate with a progressive face.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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post #444

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither of these countries has a free speech provision in the constitution. To the opposite, both explicitly ban certain kinds of speech.

Germany does guarantees free speech in article 5 of its constitution.

This is not true, article five allows for freedom of opinion, which is very different.

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I don't think this is normal: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y0iiww5KFTg

I don't think it is normal to fight to go to nightclubs while others fight and die for everyone's freedom.

Well, if the night clubs are working, then what kind of a war is that? Obviously the video is just one of many others, eg it’s not limited to night clubs.

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I remember when the last administration jailed Douglass Mackey for tweeting

He created fake election campaign posters enticing people to cast their vote via some phone number. I think it's a little disingenuous to say he was jailed for tweeting. It's like saying someone charged with a DUI was charged for "driving their car around".

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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If the signal story mattered they would lead with the content of the messages. Perhaps they would not even reveal the method of the info was obtained. Since the story is reversed, and the public is not talking about what is said, I'm guessing nothing happened.

What a bizarre take. The hypocrisy is mind blowing.
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