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Post by prmoustache »

yesbabyyes wrote: post #562
jpk wrote: post #351

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I'm not sure I follow. Your complaint is that Framework only sells direct and not through retailers?

Tell me you're from the US without telling me you're from the US. Jokes aside, I had to wait years for Framework to finally allow shipping via a friend in Berlin. I think they ship to Sweden now—they seemed to have an unfortunate misunderstanding that they needed to produce a Swedish keyboard and translate their website before shipping here, which of course is poppycocks.

I am pretty sure that if you have reached the point that you are ordering a laptop online from a brand unknown to the general public, it means you are past the point you need the actual physical keys to match your keyboard layout on your OS settings. You could just have blank keys.

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Post by api »

HFguy wrote: post #607
api wrote: post #578

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Do you want to retire? Capitalism works this way because its customers, the investors, want it to work this way, because growth is how you get compound interest. Investors include anyone with an interest bearing bank deposit, a 401k, stocks, bonds, etc. No growth means it would no longer be possible for an investment to appreciate. I think of a similar thing when I see people complaining about how companies don't wan…

Growth isn’t necessary for high returns on equity. And it isn’t necessary for the investment to provide a return. Equity returns ultimately come from risk premiums. (Which are small now in US equities BTW). I’m invested in a microcap private equity fund that has returned >20-25% for years. They have high returns because they buy firms at 3-4x cashflow. You will get the high returns even with no growth. And with no in…

I'm talking about macroeconomics, not micro. Risk premium means there is risk; not everyone gets a return at all. The entire society, as a whole, cannot experience consistent returns unless there is macroeconomic growth. If the pie is not getting bigger, someone has to be losing for someone else to gain.

Things like retirement, 401ks, etc., are society-wide institutions subject to macroeconomic rules.

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Post by GTP »

rcarmo wrote: post #10

There are some factual "gaps" there about how good Snow Leopard was, but I understand the sentiment. As someone who's been a Mac user since System 6 and has been consistently using Macs alongside PCs _daily_ for over 20 years I can say that Apple's software quality (either in terms of polish or just plain QA) has steadily decreased. It's just that me and other old-time switchers have stopped complaining about it and…

> if PC hardware can ever match Apple Silicon

IIRC some competitors are starting to offer a few laptops with ARM processors, I think Samsung has a few. How do you feel about those?

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Post by greener_grass »

yunwal wrote: post #312
yyyk wrote: post #273

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Apple has had a contemptuous attitude towards developers since.. the App Store? when the iPhone was out? The last two decades? They don't seem to care about this.

And that’s a huge part of the reason why the Vision Pro will never take off.

I disagree - if the Vision Pro had some strong use-cases then developers would hold their nose and make apps for it. The platforms that get apps are the ones where businesses see value in delivering for them. Of course businesses prefer it when making apps is easier (read: cheaper) but this is not a primary driver.

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Post by therealmarv »

Interesting take. I'm mostly not affected by that because I use except from the OS itself nearly no Apple software to be not trapped in the Apple golden cage ever. No photos, no Apple mail, no Apple maps, no Notes etc etc. and/but I also use no iPhone. But system settings is awful, at least I can search there to not wrap my head around it.

I actually see progress in things that matter for me as software dev like virtualisation and Docker support. And with frameworks like MLX I can even run image generation tools like FLUX locally on my Mac (search for mflux). Amazing! And Apple Silicone is a screamer... still cannot believe I have the fastest single core PC on Earth in my laptop.

I only thing I use is the calendar to see my personal and work Google calendars aggregated at the same time.

So far I'm happy with macOS. If the whole graphics industry (Adobe etc) would support Linux more I would even switch away to Linux but because I'm dealing with photography, color correction and a little video too I will never switch to Linux (the graphics system quality in macOS is way too good). Windows is unfortunately no go too because of the built-in spyware and ads in the OS (like WTF).

I consider Apple Intelligence also as a sort of spyware. I don't want to activate it ever (but it gets auto activated after updates) and I don't want it to download its stuff and waste space. If people want to use it: fine, but if I personally opt out, I opt out fully Apple!

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Post by simondotau »

protonbob wrote: post #585

Snow leopard was my favorite operating system ever. I used it on my first real computer, a horrible Asus eeepc netbook and it worked flawlessly. Best hackintosh I've ever used. Of course I used it on official hardware as well but it brings back fond memories. https://www.svenbit.com/2011/02/install-hackintosh-on-eeepc-...

It's not even that Snow Leopard was so great. It's that what came immediately after was so poor. Lion was noticeably janky. Things seemed to improve again with Mavericks becoming quite stable after numerous point releases. Then there was a glimmer of hope around High Sierra/Mojave/Catalina, but since then it's been steadily downhill.

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Post by regularfry »

Daneel_ wrote: post #506
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Currently also looking at Framework+AMD. I want Mac hardware but Linux software. The other makers build quality is horrendous. Especially in the 13inch segment which is my favorite. Using a pretty old laptop because there is no replacement right now. The new Ryzen AI looks really interesting! Sadly there is no Framework shop for me to look at it and they not ship to Japan..

Thinkpad line from Lenovo. Amazing build quality, and you can order them with Linux. I have a P1 Gen 7 and it’s fantastic. It feels premium, and it’s thin, light, powerful, has good connectivity and 4K OLED touch screen. I’d take it over Mac hardware any day.

Non-Thinkpad Lenovos have some standouts too. I'm running Debian Stable on an AMD Yoga Slim 7 from a couple of years ago and sure, it's not an Apple, but for the £800 or so I paid for it, it's a really polished machine. Loads of ports, and it's approximately performance-competitive with a Dell XPS13 from about the same time that cost literally twice as much.

The one snag I ran into was that when it was new, supporting the power modes properly needed a mainline kernel rather than the distro default. But in the grand scheme of things that's relatively trivial.

I have an M1 Macbook Pro from work and honestly I'm not tempted to get one for myself. I am tempted by the M3 and M4 beasts as AI machines, but as form factors go I'm just not sold.

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Post by amacbride »

wickedsight wrote: post #468
chii wrote: post #380

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> first job 13+ years ago any QA... such QA jobs no longer exists. Ever since the software dev world has moved to doing one's own QA during development, software has been consistently worse in quality. May be there's a correlation there!

The problem is Agile. Not the way it was intended at some point, but the way it has become through Agile consultants and SAFe. Also the fact that it's become the default for any project and that Waterfall has become a bad word. Companies abuse Agile so they don't have to plan or think about stuff anymore. In the past decade, I haven't worked in (or seen) a single team that had had more than 2 weeks of work prepared a…

This, 100%. Agile (properly done, for whatever value of “proper“ you choose) is fine for websites, apps, consumer facing stuff. For things that must work, in predictable fashion, for years, it’s often inappropriate.

OS work is somewhere in between, but definitely more towards the latter category.

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Post by simondotau »

makeitdouble wrote: post #408
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I understand and appreciate the sentiment, but I see the intent very differently. Apple is not employing a frog boiling strategy, but rather being responsive to an increasingly sophisticated adversary. It’s like criticism of the quality of Google search dropping. It has absolutely tanked, but it’s not because the algorithm is worse, it’s because the internet has grown orders of magnitude and most of it uses the same…

> Apple Actively depleting the good-will they accumulated over the years definitely makes it worse. It's that harder to give the benefit of the doubt to a company also showing the middle finger to their Devs. > Google Giving priority to AdSense sites, fucking around with content lengths (famously penalising short stay sites), killing advanced search options. That's just thinking about it for 10s, but to me most of it…

As someone who runs a decent sized site with AdSense, I wish.

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Post by regularfry »

troupo wrote: post #521
pjmlp wrote: post #396

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The reason that keeps me on Windows, is that you left out of your list gaming and 3D graphics on laptops. Metal isn't really on pair with Vulkan and DirectX in terms of relevance for graphics programming, the M chips aren't up to NVidia ecosystem, SYCL, the two major compute APIs for any kind of relevant GPGPU workloads, and thus don't really matter. And gaming, well, even though all major engines support Metal, ther…

> Metal isn't really on pair with Vulkan and DirectX in terms of relevance for graphics programming As if Vulkan had relevance to graphics programming. > and WSL is better integrated and easier to use than Virtualization Framework. you don't need WSL on MacOS because, well, MacOS is already a *nix environment.

> you don't need WSL on MacOS because, well, MacOS is already a *nix environment.

Right up until you need Linux syscalls. If you're doing anything with containers it's an annoyance.

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