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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by cutemonster »

dowager_dan99 wrote: post #491
ssijak wrote: post #69

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"Switzerland by train and in the middle of the night being woken up by border guards with barking German shepherds asking for my passport" What is exactly wrong here? They checked your passport and went on their way, that is how it works.

Why do you need guard dogs to check a passport? Is it the most effective system to do sweep-checks in the middle of the night? Why not check as you're boarding or de-training? What happens if something is wrong or not aligned? Is a stressful situation the best way to conduct routine processes for anybody? HOW shit goes down is really important. When systems reduce people to cogs in a machine they lose empathy and per…

Drug drogs I suspect.

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Post by brailsafe »

I already generally hate the experience of travelling through ports of entry into the U.S, have been searched numerous times, and often on the way back into Canada but it's usually much less onerous; every country I've visited has been much more tolerable, regardless of Trump. I'm travelling in soon for a reason that's almost work for the first time—attending a work related event—and technically should be able to visa-free, but these stories are making me a bit nervous. Flying 10hrs back is not ideal, but being stuck for 2 weeks would fuck up my year.

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Post by wahnfrieden »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #484
snapcaster wrote: post #3

This is horrible and scary, why border guards are even giving the authority to revoke visas is beyond me. When people think about giving cops/guards authority like this they need to be picturing the dumbest bully from their grade school. That's who is going to be using the power

I'm about to travel to canada on work and as i understand it the last step in the visa is an interview at the port of entry where the border guard can decide if I get to stay or not.

canada just revised the rules to allow border agents to revoke your visa / work permit, fyi. so look out. it might be better to go during "normal" hours and at major ports of entry to try to get a more senior officer.

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Post by Teever »

sejje wrote: post #366
causal wrote: post #321

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This is an article about immigration which is highly relevant to US tech

Would they cover it on TV news? There's little-to-no discussion about the implications on tech, based on my reading of the comments. Just general politics and nationalism.

Hackernews has those monthly official posts from that immigration lawyer proberts, immigration stuff is highly important to HN and the users here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=proberts

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Post by bloopernova »

meeshmuesh wrote: post #414
bloopernova wrote: post #313

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People weren't supporting hamas, they were condemning the indiscriminate bombing of civilians. That message was picked up by the russians etc and turned into a wedge issue on social media.

You can’t pretend that every issue that is contentious is some Russian propaganda designed to cause infighting. If you misplace your keys, do you blame Putin as well?

what about my comment led you to state that I pretend "every issue is russian propaganda"?

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Post by wahnfrieden »

metabagel wrote: post #443
transcriptase wrote: post #214

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I am Canadian. I’ve been to the U.S. a hundred times and nothing has really changed to make me blink at continuing to go. I have friends and family who work and vacation there, and it’s the same for them as it’s always been. The Canadian media and Canadian businesses have been drumming up fear and patriotic rhetoric to drive domestic industries. That’s great - the last 10 years of “Canada is a post-national state wit…

Dude, if you have a tattoo that looks questionable, you literally could be deported to a concentration camp in El Salvador. Granted, maybe you are white, and that might be the one thing which saves you.

Reportedly even having an LGBT tattoo was sufficient to be marked as criminal and sent to the El Salvador concentration camp

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Post by deskamess »

mjevans wrote: post #518
everfrustrated wrote: post #447

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If you've previously been denied a visa you're no longer able to use the visa on arrival system. Hence you need to apply for a visa before you travel.

I think the question is: why were they even let in at the border crossing if it wasn't a valid entry? Shouldn't they have been turned back there?

Very likely, that as a Canadian, you can enter the US without a visa as long as you do not work. You need a TN visa+status to work. So probably entered US on passport (no visa status) and then applied for TN... during which things went poorly.

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Post by rayiner »

comte7092 wrote: post #426
rayiner wrote: post #165

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The only option is to pursue draconian “enforcement” on people who enter through ports of entry following the established legal process? Let’s not kid ourselves here, it’s not nor has it ever been about “illegal” immigration, it’s immigration in general.

What do you think the point is of having immigration laws? It’s to control how many immigrants come in and which ones. If you essentially make all the illegal immigration “legal” then you’ve erased the difference.

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Post by csa »

ethbr1 wrote: post #282
freehorse wrote: post #89

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At this point, I am not sure if we can exclude that lobbying from private prisons does not affect the way bureaucracy runs, from the stage of legislation to the point of how said legislation is executed. Thus I am not sure that these two are in truly independent. But otherwise I agree; even in places where detention facilities are not privatised, bureaucracy can still pose a lot of issues because, as you say, "who ca…

The "I don't know"s in the article smack of bureaucratic ineffectiveness more than deliberate obsfuscation. To wit, that no one actually cares about doing anything. And granted, that's long been a consequence of low morale in the prison and ICE employee pool, but now it's coupled with a removal of even the least pressure from above to do the job well. In short, I don't think "Be cruel to people" needs to be messaged…

> The "I don't know"s in the article smack of bureaucratic ineffectiveness more than deliberate obsfuscation.

I’m pretty sure it’s not either.

In situations like this, it’s simply conflict avoidance and sticking to the responsibilities of your pay grade. Any given ICE employee may have a good idea where someone is likely to go or not go, but they almost certainly don’t know enough about any specific case to make a comment about it in a way that may have legal ramifications.

This may sound like punting responsibility, but if an ICE employee says something incorrect to someone being held, that could come back to haunt them via legal consequences. As such, if it’s not their job to answer questions about a detainee’s status, it’s probably prudent for them not to answer.

Let me be clear, I think that this is a racket. I also think that any person with decent morals and ethics should consider not working at these places.

That said, I don’t think it’s necessarily reasonable to criticize the ICE folks for staying in their lane when on the job.

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