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Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by mppm »

drusepth wrote: post #457
rich_sasha wrote: post #382

It's all so strange. I would happily buy Firefox, either as a one off, or as an annual license, and be done with all the weird license nonsense - presumably they want to sell data to pay the bills. But instead the choice, realistically, seems to be between giving all my browsing data to Google and to Mozilla. And Chrome works marginally better... :/

I would wager most people that offer to buy software "one off" typically underestimate their lifetime worth earned through other means like ads and data sales. Would you pay a one-time $10 for a lifetime Firefox license? $100? $1,000? $10,000?

This logic applies more to Google than Mozilla. Their mission is (or ought to be) to cover development and hosting costs associated with Firefox, not to milk users for all they are worth on the ad market.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by andirk »

MortyWaves wrote: post #489

I see a lot of people suggesting Brave, but is it still full of crypto nonsense?

Brave has a couple crypto features in the UI but that's about it. I'm big on crypto but I don't use any of the browser's crypto features. Just a browser that cuts most of the bullshit out.

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Post by [deleted] »

LeChuck wrote: post #330

It's fascinating how any Firefox thread here inevitably devolves into accusations that Mozilla has abandoned users and a push to switch to alternatives, despite Mozilla working in the interest of users to a infinitely greater degree than any other major browser vendor.

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by rat9988 »

mariusmg wrote: post #596
sph wrote: post #590

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's my question: in light of what Mozilla is doing, why don't other forks like Waterfox or Librewolf write a manifesto/contract saying they'll never sell your user data and won't turn "evil" (until they do, of course), and then decide to offer a paid version of their browser. Two possible outcomes: 1. No one cares. No one pays for it. Nothing changes and nobody loses anything. 2. Enough people pay for it to keep t…

>So why isn't anyone trying to replace Mozilla yet, Because writing manifestos is easy and making a browser is proper hard work ?

Exactly, so why not write them?

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by drpossum »

m-schuetz wrote: post #246

The text leaves way too much up for shady interpretation. At that point I might as well fully switch to Chrome, even at home. Privacy was the single last reason for sticking with firefox, and these terms do not sound like privacy anymore.

Chrome is absolutely not a step in the right direction if this is pushing you away from Firefox. Look at the number of forks that strip out this nonsense and behave functionally identically instead.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by terminalbraid »

cam_l wrote: post #238

I thought Firefox sync and VPN was end to end encrypted. That is a far bigger wtf than dumb unenforceable tos text.

It is. The data exfiltration is more through telemetry vectors as they currently use. A VPN can't help you with that and while they can't see your bookmarks stored in the sync service because they don't have the encryption key, they technically could do what they like once that is decrypted and in memory.

Librewolf can use Mozilla's existing Firefox Sync and because of the end-to-end encryption you get the privacy you wanted that way [1].

[1] https://librewolf.net/docs/faq/#can-i-use-firefox-sync-with-...

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by 1oooqooq »

MrAlex94 wrote: post #450

I might have differed with Brendan Eich on a few matters, but he was a good steward of Firefox in my book. When Mitchell Baker took the reins, Mozilla became rather more heavy-handed towards us - the irony being that Waterfox was once proudly displayed on the Mozilla website under their "Powered By" banner. I appreciate the constant existential wobble Firefox faces, but they've made some peculiar decisions as of late…

we need to clean cut from mozilla.

do they still make ot worthwhile for developers? are any on the payroll still?

i think the community should mobilize to sign up for adopting A single fork* as the official fork and completely drop mozilla from existence.

* only criteria should be the fork that is most convenient for all the other forks to just point to instead of mozilla and continue to ship with their patches. and that one fork should have the minimum resources to respond to security disclosures in place of mozilla, nothing else as a requirement.

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