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Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by musictubes »

seec wrote: post #595
datadrivenangel wrote: post #447

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If the additional revenue is positive, and the margin on that additional revenue is positive, you've made more money.

Exactly. But Apple has so many low hanging fruits that anything that doesn't make billions is irrelevant to them. Apple is making way too much money for the good of their customers. If only people would stop mindlessly buying, they would eventually listen but their userbase has become so huge that they are not going to change anytime soon.

Nobody buys Apple products anymore because they’re too popular? Or maybe they’d be more popular if people bought fewer devices? I can’t make any sense out of what you’re saying.

What if, and I know this is a crazy thought but what if people aren’t buying Apple products mindlessly? What if they buy them because they like them? Maybe they’d didn’t buy the mini phones because they didn’t like them.

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Post by 42772827 »

aianus wrote: post #484
dagmx wrote: post #4

Very cool to see a new entry into the modem market. Obviously not available for anyone other than Apple, but I’m interested to see how it shapes up over time much like their SoC has done. This has been a long time coming since Apple bought Intels modem division several years ago. I’m also interested to see if it enables cellular in laptops. Afaik the limiting factor has been that Qualcomm charge a percentage of devic…

Why doesn’t iPhone tethering solve this problem already? Why pay for two modems? Genuinely curious.

FindMy relies on the device either connecting to the Internet or pinging a nearby device that does. This would mean Macs always visible in FindMy

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Post by nsonha »

bdhcuidbebe wrote: post #277
dfabulich wrote: post #123

Check out the battery life! > iPhone 16e has the best battery life ever on a 6.1-inch iPhone, lasting up to six hours longer than iPhone 11 and up to 12 hours longer than all generations of iPhone SE. Their page comparing models claims the new 16e gets "26 hours video playback." iPhone 16e: 26 hours iPhone 16: 22 hours iPhone 15: 20 hours iPhone 14: 20 hours iPhone 13: 19 hours iPhone 12: 17 hours iPhone 11: 17 hours…

My Nokia 3310 lasted for over a week before recharge in 2000.

ikr, it had amazing camera and ran the latest linux kernel /s

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Post by layer8 »

GeekyBear wrote: post #391
kemayo wrote: post #18

Let's see... it's replacing the SE, which is no longer on Apple's website. It's more expensive than the SE, at $599 vs $429. It's a pretty substantial hardware upgrade over the SE, including something like 75% more battery life by Apple's numbers, but it's also noticeably bigger. Apple's own comparison tool is useful: https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?modelList=iphone-16e,i...

You do also get double the storage, double the RAM and a 24 megapixel camera upgrade. Traditionally, the amount of RAM in your device is the limiting factor that controls how many years of updates you get. So far, 8 years for the OG iPhone SE is the standing record for years of updates.

And the OG SE was significantly cheaper, even after adjusting for inflation. But it only received 6.5 years of regular iOS updates. It was released mid-cycle with iOS 9, and iOS 15 is the last supported version. You may be counting the later security updates, but that doesn’t help with app compatibility.

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Post by prawn »

einpoklum wrote: post #517

Why do other manufacturers who debut phones don't get HN posts, but Apple does? Xiaomi Poco X7 & X7 pro were released in Janunary, for example. Don't see a post about that.

Why didn't you submit a story about those devices?

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Post by crossroadsguy »

pzmarzly wrote: post #403
crossroadsguy wrote: post #352

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I don't think there is any mainstream Android phone available that is of 12/13 Mini size. In fact there might not be a mainstream one that is smaller than the current base iPhone size.

Regarding your first statement: yes, sadly. Regarding your second one, I have some good news though: ASUS Zenfone 10 is smaller than iPhone 16 by 1.1mm x 3.5mm, Samsung S24 (base model) is 0.6mm x 1.0mm smaller, and Sony Xperia 5 V is only slightly bigger.

iPhone size is already too big (imho!). So Sony one is anything but that. Asus ZFs? Nope, anything but mainstream. These never released in many geographies including my country - the most populous on the planet and no it was not even too costly for here - and yes, they already have a sales/distributor channel/base here so they didn't have to setup anything.

There really isn't anything mainstream out there at all. Why? Majority, clear majority, of people rejected smaller size phones sadly.

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Post by internet2000 »

saagarjha wrote: post #521
GeekyBear wrote: post #195

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I would assume that Apple's new firmware would have been written in a memory safe language. They did make some noise about enabling Swift for embedded development at last years WWDC. Although Qualcomm's big zero day last year was related to the DSP and not the baseband, I believe.

It’s C(++) judging by the strings in the firmware

Is the firmware available somewhere already?

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Post by ivanjermakov »

chongli wrote: post #481

Now they don't have any phones with the old-style rounded bezel. The SE was the very last of them. I have a 12 mini and thing I really hate about it is the sharp, orthogonal bezel. It's very uncomfortable to hold for longer periods of time. I'm taking this as a sign from Apple that I use my phone too much and should probably stop.

> It's very uncomfortable to hold for longer periods of time

Somehow I see using phone less as a benefit.

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Post by bri3d »

Kwpolska wrote: post #414
insane_dreamer wrote: post #404

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Apple managed to design its own state-of-the-art CPUs. I wouldn't have imagined that designing its own modem would be such a difficult challenge?

Modems are harder to get right than CPUs. A CPU needs to do math and work with digital data lines. A modem needs to talk to the mobile network, using radios, and a bunch of standards that were built up since the 90s.

Tacking on: the devil in a modern baseband is in the firmware. The analog domain stuff is generally handled by increasingly commoditized RF frontends outside of the baseband processor, and then either clean analog IQ or more recently, even digital samples (DAC and ADC moved to frontend) are sent to the baseband processor.

A baseband is a really fancy specialized SDR. Most are based on arcane VLIW DSP architectures like Qualcomm’s Hexagon or Samsung Marconi - you’ll usually have several DSPs handling the different physical layer channels, and then some coordinating DSPs doing L1 channel mixing and timing (in 4G and 5G, various logical and transport channels are muxed into the same physical channels).

Then a set of higher level processor cores (usually referred to as CP, sometimes still a DSP but often a general purpose application processor like ARM) will handle the MAC and above. There will be occasional fixed function blocks for some common protocol functions, but generally it’s less “analog magic” in the way people think when they hear “radio” and more “DSP magic.”

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