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Post by lucgommans »

einhard wrote: post #581
lucgommans wrote: post #468

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Rehosted so it'll stay alive at least a few years: https://lucgommans.nl/tmp/YYZ_Crash.mp3 >. Let me know if you'd like something more permanent than my tmp dump folder, or a filename that gives credits or so! (BTW if you're editing clips, I can recommend exporting to Opus instead of ancient MP3: released in ~2012 so support is very good by now and it's like twice the quality at the same file size, probably even bett…

Hey, thank you so much. I shared the Discord file because I was sharing it with some friends, and then thought HN might be interested, but I don't have a more convenient place to serve the file at the moment. Thank you for hosting it. Good point about exporting to Opus! I used .mp3 because the original audio files were also in .mp3. I've re-exported the file in Opus now, let me know what would be the best way to send…

Contact method is in profile (or more directly: https://lucgommans.nl/email), though by now I can't edit the comment and thus link anymore so will have to post a new comment and kill the old link if we want to change it. Just let me know, all is fine by me

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Post by dang »

umeshunni wrote: post #271
bsimpson wrote: post #269

It's wild to me that this is at the top of Hacker News, but not even on the Google News front page. I feel like major airline crashes are usually headlines.

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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

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Post by dang »

areyourllySorry wrote: post #277
umeshunni wrote: post #271

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Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by snovv_crash »

jessekv wrote: post #491
nirui wrote: post #480

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Holy shit, that was just pure luck that no one end up dead. Based on the video, the plane glide-flipped just enough to slide/roll itself out of the major fire. Things could be a whole lot worse if it played out just slightly differently.

Stop, drop, and roll.

In this case more like drop, roll and stop.

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Post by dang »

smashah wrote: post #324

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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

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Post by mrguyorama »

hugh-avherald wrote: post #208
evil-olive wrote: post #114

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> The wings are so utterly critical to flight I can’t possibly imagine any situation they’d be engineered to snap off under. I don't know enough about the details of the CRJ-900 to say for certain, but in general aerospace engineering does include considerations of this sort, where if a component breaks off you want to ensure that it separates in a specific way. from an Admiral Cloudberg article [0] about El-Al 1862…

The purpose of that engineering feature is to ensure the wings stay on.

Nah, an engine getting ripped off will not tear off the wing since this is the level of force and flex they are designed to withstand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--LTYRTKV_A

The engines are built to rip off cleanly, because when they don't, they have caused https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al_Flight_1862 which were fairly serious and catastrophic accidents at least partially caused by the engines tearing off and damaging the wing in such a serious manner as to cause a stall and crash. The wings stayed on the aircraft in both instances. Interestingly, both accidents were caused by those same sheer pins being damaged in minor and unpredicted ways.

I highly doubt the wing is DESIGNED to cleanly separate. Planes are just very not rigid for something going such a high speed, and so tend to turn into confetti when faced with a harder surface, like a runway or a concrete building. Usually the only parts that survive serious crashes are the landing gear struts.

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Post by umeshunni »

dang wrote: post #612
umeshunni wrote: post #271

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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

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Post by goostavos »

dionidium wrote: post #560
matsemann wrote: post #405

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I think you should acknowledge that you and the person above are reading this sitting in a comfortable chair (or on the toilet), with little stress, good time to think, and the magic power of hindsight. People just having been in a crash, however, are in a different situation. They've just been thrown upside down, having to release their seat buckles and fall down onto the roof, then being ushered out in panic. Them…

The way we increase the chances that everybody reading this will behave appropriately if they're ever in this situation is by strongly condemning those who did not.

He says, from his comfortable chair, and behind a keyboard, and not having just experienced a horrific plane crash.

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Post by culi »

listenallyall wrote: post #209
culi wrote: post #165

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If anyone's wondering. Based on the link we have, Fatalities: 2025: 77 (2 fatal accidents) 2024: 0 2023: 0 2022: 10 (1) 2021: 0 2020: 9 (1) 2019: 7 (2) 2018: 1 (1) 2017: 0 2016: 0 2015: 0 2014: 0 2013: 13 (2) 2012: 0 2011: 0 2010: 0 We do indeed seem to be having a particularly bad year. It's only February of 2025 and there's been more than double the total deaths than in the past decade

Deaths don't trickle in individually... one incident causes a huge surge. Any year with a single commercial airline crash is going to be a "particularly bad year" Not minimizing these tragedies, they are real and hopefully there are some concrete actions we can take to make crashes even more rare. But its also true that your statistical analysis is poor.

Yes but we've had 2 major accidents in/over the US and it's only February

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Post by culi »

schnable wrote: post #238
culi wrote: post #157

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They are indeed being laid off https://federalnewsnetwork.com/workforce/2025/02/trump-begin...

That article says one air traffic controller was laid off.

The very first sentence is

> The Trump administration has begun firing several hundred Federal Aviation Administration employees, upending staff on a busy air travel weekend and just weeks after a January fatal midair collision at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport.

I think this comment is disingenuously trying to manipulate people who won't click the link.

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