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Re: Updates to H-1B

#611
let them all in! People can earn three times more just by being in the US and we benefit by lower inflation.

EDIT: I encourage people to read two stories

Qian Xuesen - what happens when you deport skilled laborers

https://davidcard.berkeley.edu/papers/mariel-impact.pdf - one of the first studies on immigration econ effects on wages. A good starting point

Re: Updates to H-1B

#613
post #479

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> We cannot find qualified applicants > No, we don’t pay as much as Meta. So, essentially, you are seeking special treatment from US citizens. I’m not saying this is always unreasonable, but you’re in the territory of a centrally planned economic decision, and in the US philosophy that is supposed to be done minimally. Maybe the right thing is for your company to shut down or change their line of business, freeing up…

There are 4.8 million developers in the US most of them are not making Meta salaries and I would say that 80% will never see 200K inflation adjusted in thier lives. Instead of going to levels.fyi go to salary.com and choose any major city in the US that is not on the west coast. No most developers don’t get RSUs or anything else aside from their salaries and maybe a bonus. And before someone replies that I’m “bitter”…

While I'd normally use levels.fyi for more accurate data, since you don't want to rely on that, here's info from glassdoor.

Senior: https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/remote-senior-software-en...

> $178K - $262K/yr

Principal: https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/remote-principal-software...

> $269K - $415K/yr

> The estimated total pay for a Principal Software Engineer is $329,957 per year in the Remote area, with an average salary of $196,928 per year. These numbers represent the median, which is the midpoint of the ranges from our proprietary Total Pay Estimate model and based on salaries collected from our users. The estimated additional pay is $133,029 per year. Additional pay could include cash bonus, commission, tips, and profit sharing.

Sounds like the right ballpark. If you're in a location that doesn't pay as well, remote can pay much better.

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#614

I always see a lot of people arguing that H1bs are taking away jobs from qualified Americans by willing to work long hours and work cheaper. That may be true, but in my brief exposure to the tech industry it does not feel true because the salaries and perks are so high, it doesn’t seem like tech companies are exploiting workers and hiring “cheap H1b labour”. A lot of my batch (all H1b masters) when to Meta and Amazon…

this is a well-studied tradeoff with immigration. high-skilled immigration helps US economy and innovation but low-skilled immigration depresses wages for citizens. you are making this distinction for a narrow case i.e. tech.

show me the study for broad-spectrum lasting wage depression for low-skilled immigration? The mariel boatlift study shows basically no effect: https://davidcard.berkeley.edu/papers/mariel-impact.pdf

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#615

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past drug use does not preclude a clearance (edited)

It absolutely can. Depends on the drug and when it was last used, if you had any drug-related incidents or court ordered rehabilitation.

That’s going beyond simple use. The two year lookback is real but nobody is going to fail a basic clearance over college pot use.

Re: Updates to H-1B

#616

This H1B program is gamed so hard its a joke at this point. I personally witnessed someone that submit multiple applications that this person won the H1B lottery. This person even had fake office, fake business address, etc for the fake entities. I already reported it, but no action has been taken. This person is now happily employed in the US using H1B. Unethical life pro tips but work: for those of you trying to ge…

is being employed for a salary considered plunder now?

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#618
post #578

The working conditions for Americans suck due to this fucking program. People come here to live subservient lives and bring along a toxic culture of submission. The level of ass licking that I see on the regular is akin to a well known Korean airline going into the side of a mountain. It is insane the level of deference you will find. All this hype about the "smartest, brightest, etc." is nonsense. I've worked with h…

I'm in favor of immigration generally, but I actually agree with the cultural argument here. The toxic culture really shows up in interviewing. Recently I've repeatedly had to deal with interviewees obviously cheating with AI tools. Also, while I agree that folks on H-1 visas are around the same qualification-wise as citizens, I also agree that their primary interest is always their visa, not doing a good job as an e…

Yeah, I think that the solution here is to make the visa easier though? If they don't worry about it then they won't be so focused on it.

Re: Updates to H-1B

#619

A supposed shortage of qualified US applicants for tech jobs, especially software developers, doesn't jibe with the huge numbers of US developers currently looking for work, including highly experienced older workers suffering from age discrimination. I'd be surprised if more than 5-10% of H-1B positions are ones where the hiring company has even looked for US applicants.

My employer cannot hire H-1Bs. You must be a US citizen to work for my company. No "US Persons" (visa holders) or foreigners allowed. You have to be eligible for a Secret security clearance. You don't have to get one if you don't want to as there is usually plenty of uncleared work to go around, but you have to be eligible in case that goes away and we need to put you in for a clearance. We cannot find qualified appl…

> We won't re-teach linear algebra to a developer applicant

Why not? Isn’t this just part of your ramp-up if it’s a niche qualification? We re-teach networking to developers who probably forgot it—that’s a semester course, easily. If you’re not willing to invest in candidates that are 90% of the way there, then you’re perpetually going to have difficulty hiring.

Re: Updates to H-1B

#620
post #83

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How so?

It's supply and demand economics: if there is a low supply of workers and a high demand for them, then employers are supposed to compete for them with more pay, more benefits, training/education, etc. When the supply of workers is artificially increased, then companies have less incentive to compete. It becomes a buyer's market for employers.

General equilibrium exists though, if the supply of workers increases you usually see businesses which were previously non-viable appear to take advantage of them at similar rates.

You can illustrate this by doing the other direction: if we killed half of the workforce, would real wages double. Unlikely! You'd probably just see broad-based inflation for a while until wages equalized again.

For a first-take study on this, see https://davidcard.berkeley.edu/papers/mariel-impact.pdf

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