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South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Oh, I agree that via the use of force he can do what he likes, at least so long as that force is loyal to him and other forces aren't stronger. It's just harder to create a veneer of the constitutional necessity of such a move when your own highest profile political allies apparently condemn it and pledge to "stop it with the people" instead of queuing up to rubber stamp it and do "this is a small problem with crimin…

This is looking stupider by the minute. You can't half ass a coup d'etat.

Yeah, you launch a half-assed coup d'etat, and the next thing you know you get arres-... er, re-elected legitimately.

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It was France avoiding the Spanish Civil war.

The... secret Spanish Civil War that happened in 1958?

I understand they meant it was France avoiding having an analogous event to the Spanish Civil War.

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This is further complicated by a history (yes, in the US) of not just failing to prosecute obvious war criminals, and of pardoning many who do somehow manage to get convicted, but wide swaths of the population treating them as heroes . There are recent examples, but look at how we treated those with the most direct culpability for the My Lai massacre, and further, how the guy who took direct action to stop it got tre…

The recent SCOTUS decision in the US will make this endlessly complicated. If the illegal order is deemed an official act, SCOTUS has said POTUS has liability. So does the military carry out an illegal act (which can’t be illegal), or refuse and face charges of insubordination?

If the President directly orders the military to arrest politicians and citizens, that is clearly illegal.

The stumbling block is if the President invokes the Insurrection Act. Which is a bit of a gray area.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807

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The paradox is; Society should benefit everyone equally. If it doesn't, then the ones who are not benefiting have a social responsibility to adjust it until it does. By hook or by crook, for better or worse. Equity is usually pretty difficult to swallow for those who are benefiting inequitably. But the thing is, if it's not working for everyone, it isn't working at all and it should probably be broken the rest of the…

This is presumptively assuming that being a homemaker is an objectively “worse” position. I think a lot of women would disagree with that position, possibly the majority. Equity cannot mean that everyone works in an office, it should also mean that women that want to stay at home should be able to without being forced into a corporate world by the economy/circumstances.

It is objectively worse in that the job doesn't come with cash flow. In an enlightened relationship where domestic duties are valued and all decision-making (including financial) is mutual and based on good faith, that'd work great. In reality if one person has all the cash income the relationship is usually massively skewed in their favor.

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I feel like I'd seen absolutely nothing about South Korea in the news for a long time, and then suddenly woke up to this, with zero context. Do folks have any recommendations for how to keep up with global news at a high level so that you're not completely clueless when something like this happens? Like I mean some sort of "international edition" of an aggregator like Google News, I guess.

I recently found Rest of World and I like it, they seem to be high quality: https://restofworld.org/

What a weird name: "rest of the world".

I live in the "rest of the world" and never thought of myself like that.

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They might have meant writing :-) instead of :), while I think you’re talking about

Yeah specifically with that hyphen nose. I have like three friends who all do that and they all meet that description it's hilarious

Don‘t discriminate against the hyphen nose.

(Said in a sharp German accent)

:-)

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What does legal matter if the guys holding the guns don't care about the law?

Suddenly the rationale of the 2nd Amendment in the US Constitution becomes clear.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230815202046/https://www.nytim...

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I recently found Rest of World and I like it, they seem to be high quality: https://restofworld.org/

What a weird name: "rest of the world". I live in the "rest of the world" and never thought of myself like that.

Two clicks away:

    About our name

    Why “Rest of World”? It’s a corporate catchall term used in the West to designate “everyone else.” Companies use it to lump together people and markets outside wealthy Western countries. We like the term because it encapsulates the problems we fight head-on: a casual disregard for billions of people, and a Western-centric worldview that leaves an unthinkable number of insights, opportunities, and nuances out of the global conversation.

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Someone's been watching too much Western Media propaganda

Which part do you think is wrong? Are there not Wagner mercenaries in Africa? Is Russia not working with Iran? Were Russian operatives not caught sabotaging infrastructure abroad?

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Not just link in France. France is in the midst of a government fall, but this is something built into how they do democracy and so a new one is expected to form in a few months on the backs of their democratic process. This is instead a rejection of the democratic process. I don't know enough about SK's internals to say if the democratic process is already dead because of corruption (as the leader claims), or if the…

SK's last presidential election in 2022 was very, very close (48.5-47.3), the closest in South Korean history. Legislative elections take place at the midpoint between presidential elections, and the opposition kept their majority in 2024, so there was hardly a mandate, if anything the legislative elections indicated a rebuke. Yoon Suk Yeol is the one of the most unpopular democratic heads of state with 19% approval…

Even with his presidency ending, this is insane. In most developed, capitalist countries in the west, anything close to a coup is career suicide, even more so when this comes from the top without the support from media and general population.

You don't become the leader of a developed, stable, democratic nation by pulling crazy stunts like that.

Is there any other factor to influence or any big group that would benefit from such extreme measures?

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