Search is a red herring. It was invented when folks didn't realize that links between pages were important. The next step is about disrupting what 'search' means for the internet, not just trying to do better than Google.
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#612Search is a red herring. It was invented when folks didn't realize that links between pages were important. The next step is about disrupting what 'search' means for the internet, not just trying to do better than Google.
Uhuh. And what does that mean exactly?
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#613Search is a red herring. It was invented when folks didn't realize that links between pages were important. The next step is about disrupting what 'search' means for the internet, not just trying to do better than Google.
Uhuh. And what does that mean exactly?
The world is full of surprises, and innovation is fundamentally about replacement...aka 'disruption'
To the downvoters: you should check your definition of innovation (hint: SV angel)
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#614Earlier quoted context omitted.
> absolutely nailed it with their AI approach. Thankfully, Kagi also have a toggle to completely turn that crap (AI) off so it never appears. Personally, I have absolutely no use for a product that can randomly generate false information. I'm not even interested until that's solved. (If/when it ever is though, at that point I'm open to taking a look) So yeah, Kagi definitely "leads the way" on this. By giving the use…
You have no use for a product that can randomly generate false information but you trust google to provide you with search results based on how much they were paid for those keywords?… give me ai hallucinations over google every day of the week and twice on sunday…
>but you trust google to provide you with search results based on how much they were paid for those keywords?
Google isn't paid for keywords, that's not how search works. They sell ad space, Google does not rank up search content for payment.
And also the obvious point is, you don't need to trust Google because they merely point you to content, they don't produce the content. They're an index for real existing content on the web which you can judge for yourself. A search index unlike an AI model, does not output uniform or even synthetic content.
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#615Google search doesn't even work inside of our intranet. For example, the filename will not return in the results when entering the exact search string in various places inside of Google Workspaces - Docs, Sheets, etc. That should tell you that it isn't SEO spam that is to blame, google search just legitimately sucks all on its own.
Definitely search is ripe for disruption.
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#616Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…
"The future promised in Star Trek [...] nobody had to fact-check the answers ever."
You're actually a bit mistaken, there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_Martial_(Star_Trek:_The_...
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#617Earlier quoted context omitted.
I genuinely think Kagi has led the way on this one. Simplicity is beautiful and effective, and Kagi has (IMHO) absolutely nailed it with their AI approach. It's one of those things that in hindsight seems obvious, which is a pretty good measure of how good an idea is IMHO. Google could have done it and kind of tried, although they're AI sucks too much. I'm very surprised that OpenAI hasn't done this sooner as well. T…
Could it be that Kagi benefits from being niche, though? Google search gets gamed because it’s the most popular and therefore gaming it gives the best return. I wonder if Kagi would have the same issues if it was the top dog.
I think they absolutely benefit from being niche, but there are a few other things they have going for them that won't go away if they become popular:
* They're not ad funded. Sergey Brin and Larry Page called this out in 1998 and it is just as true as ever: you need the economics to align. Kagi wins if people keep paying for it. Google wins if you click on Search ads or if you visit a page filled with their non-Search ads.
* Partially because of the economic alignment, Kagi has robust features for customizing your search results. The classic example is that you can block Pinterest, but it also allows gentler up- and down-weights. I have Wikipedia get a boost whenever its results are relevant, which is by itself a huge improvement over Google lately. Meanwhile, I don't see Fandom wikis unless there's absolutely nothing else.
I hope to see more innovation from Kagi in the customization side of things, because I think that's what's going to make the biggest difference in preventing SEO gaming. If users can react instantly to block your site because it's filled with garbage, then it won't matter as much if you find a brief exploit that gets you into the first page of the natural search results. On Google Fandom is impossible to avoid. On Kagi it just takes one click.
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#618Every time I see one of these topics, I go ask chat GPT a question to which I know the answer on a topic where I would like to be able to get useful answers to similar questions that I do not know the answer to. This time it was, "Did Paul Edwin Zimmer write a fourth Dark Border novel?" (Real answer: Yes, Ingulf the Mad . You can find the answer on his Wikipedia page.[1]) ChatGPT's[2] answer: "Yes, Paul Edwin Zimmer…
I am using DDG's assist function: "Paul Edwin Zimmer write a fourth Dark Border novel".
DuckAssist Result: The fourth novel in Paul Edwin Zimmer's Dark Border series is titled "Ingulf the Mad." This book focuses on characters Ingulf Mac Fingold and Carrol Mac Lir, detailing their meeting and the acquisition of their mystic swords, while the main character from the earlier novels, Istvan Divega, does not appear.
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#619Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm also cautiously optimistic though. We'll get there, but it's gonna be a bit shakey for a minute or two. But I don't understand how all of these AI results (note I haven't used Kagi so I don't know if it's different) don't fundamentally and irretrievably break the economics of the web. The "old deal" if you will is that many publishers would put stuff out on the web for free, but then with the hope that they cou…
> Why would anyone ever publish stuff on the web for free unless it was just a hobby That's exactly what the old deal was, and it's what made the old web so good. If every paid or ad-funded site died tomorrow, the web would be pretty much healed.
Unless the reason for the death of the paid content deal is because of AI vacuuming up all the content and spitting out an anonymous slurry of it.
Why would anyone, especially a passionate hobbyist, make a website knowing it will never be seen, and only be used as a source for some company's profit?
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#620Every time I see one of these topics, I go ask chat GPT a question to which I know the answer on a topic where I would like to be able to get useful answers to similar questions that I do not know the answer to. This time it was, "Did Paul Edwin Zimmer write a fourth Dark Border novel?" (Real answer: Yes, Ingulf the Mad . You can find the answer on his Wikipedia page.[1]) ChatGPT's[2] answer: "Yes, Paul Edwin Zimmer…
This is the answer I get : Yes, Paul Edwin Zimmer wrote a fourth novel in his Dark Border series titled Ingulf the Mad, published in 1989. This book focuses on the character Ingulf Mac Fingold, detailing his adventures and the origins of his mystical sword
(With source as wikipedia)