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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by deadmutex »

codedokode wrote: post #424
deadmutex wrote: post #272

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Yep, and I have yet to see evidence of this being a huge story for those people. He's no Messi or Bieber or Swift.

Is Messi a "huge story"? I don't even know for what team he is playing. And as for Swift, I only know one of her songs name (pokerface, I guess?). As for Bieber, I never heard a single song and not interested to hear. But in contrast, I have read lot of news about Durov.

Swift >> Messi >> Durov in popularity among the general population. Your unique interests may not generalize.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge...

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by deadmutex »

foverzar wrote: post #313
deadmutex wrote: post #272

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Yep, and I have yet to see evidence of this being a huge story for those people. He's no Messi or Bieber or Swift.

> I have yet to see evidence of this being a huge story for those people Can you honestly claim that you keep in touch with those people? I mean, this is an english-speaking us-centric forum. It is somewhat atypical for people here to actually know what happens outside this bubble.

> Can you honestly claim that you keep in touch with those people?

Nope, but maybe the data below can shed some light on it:

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge...

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by vdqtp3 »

anigbrowl wrote: post #560
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #380

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Free speech is not something they value. Individual rights aren’t valued. Nonsense. Of course Europeans value those things, but they're also mindful of the fact that such freedoms can be abused, sometimes with catastrophic consequences.

When you support literally jailing people for speech you don't like, you don't support free speech.

The clear-cut example I usually pull out - there's PLENTY more.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/31/23004339/uk-twitter-user-...

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by [deleted] »

panarky wrote: post #571
walterbell wrote: post #558

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Durov 2024 interview, https://www.happyscribe.com/public/the-tucker-carlson-podcas... [text] & https://tuckercarlson.com/the-tucker-carlson-interview-pavel... [video] > Telegram has been used by protesters in places like Hong Kong, Belarus, Kazakhstan, even in Barcelona back in the day. It's been a tool for the opposition to a large extent. But it doesn't really matter whether it's opposition or the ruling party that…

Durov is full of shit. He'd have you believe that all messages are welcome on Telegram, that no material is censored, that it's all about free expression, that they're too small to provide moderation. But when an account is flagged for spam, Telegram rapidly responds and restricts or kills the account. So they can and do moderate content. It's just that accounts can get flagged for CSAM hundreds of times and Telegram…

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by codedokode »

gmueckl wrote: post #182
codedokode wrote: post #164

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You can report any post in public or private groups to moderators.

I don't see a report button anywhere in the Android app. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

This article [1] says:

> Reporting a channel

> Open Telegram > Open channel > Select channel name (top) > Report > Select the report reason

> If you need to report content by email

> Address it to abuse@telegram.org with a subject like “Report user @username”

In desktop app you can simply click right button on the message or click three-dots menu in the top bar and there will be an option for report.

[1] https://netsafe.org.nz/social-media-safety/telegram

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Post by trustinmenowpls »

wkat4242 wrote: post #564
JeffAllen wrote: post #557

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So a website you don't like you would ban for everybody else as well just because you decided that it is merely marketing crap there making you nauseous. So you then conclude it should be banned for everyone else? How do you think the world would look if everybody had the power to ban things with similar reasons? We'd have nothing left in the world. Scary.

I know, it's just wishful thinking on my part :) It won't happen but that doesn't mean I can't wish for it.

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by wwtrv »

dyauspitr wrote: post #286
ren_engineer wrote: post #90

the EU is becoming a parody >we've got to save democracy by restricting free speech and enforcing laws and regulations created by unelected officials

Unelected officials = experts We don’t expect our politicians to dedicate their lives to scientific research so this perspective is inherently flawed.

> Unelected officials = experts

What? Not in the commission. It's a 100% politically appointed body made up of politicians, it's just not elected.

Also even on the lower levels being an "expert" EU apparatchik has absolutely nothing to do with dedicated your life to science.

In any case it's a deeply flawed system, minimum oversight and a lot of money to spend/waste can't ever lead anywhere good.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by riehwvfbk »

sva_ wrote: post #491
alephnan wrote: post #327

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He has a lavish lifestyle and France is the capital of luxury

And rats

Some of them are even chefs! But you can't point out this association anymore: people who don't like it will be angry and hit the downvote button.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by oska »

3np wrote: post #608
oska wrote: post #589

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No, there is no spectrum when it comes to Free Speech. Free Speech is an ideal that promotes total freedom to say whatever you want and is against all (state) censorship. (And btw, I'm unaware of anything that exists that is a 'spectrum' apart from the electromagnetic spectrum. To have the quality of being a spectrum, the subject must continuously span a 1-dimensional space. It's a way overused metaphor, in my opinio…

> And btw So you correctly identify that modelling it as a one-dimensional spectrum is a gross over-simplification. Then conclude that as it's not a one-dimensonal spectrum, it must be a binary property? Rather than accepting that reality is more complex than is easily captured in common language?

> Then conclude that as it's not a one-dimensonal spectrum, it must be a binary property?

I can see how you made that interpretation but that's not what I was saying. Free Speech is an ideal (not a binary property). I doubt that that you will find any human society with a system of laws that puts absolutely no restrictions on speech. That still doesn't mean that you can talk about Free Speech as a 'spectrum'. It's an ideal that ppl strive for, to varying degrees and across different domains. (Perhaps similarly to how Truth is an ideal that ppl strive for; Truth is not a 'spectrum'.)

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by vzaliva »

tryauuum wrote: post #601
vzaliva wrote: post #261

Well, this is the consequence of Telegram's poor privacy choices. Most chats are not end-to-end encrypted, and they could have access to their content. This makes them liable when they refuse governments' requests for such information. It also raises the question of whether they have given such access to other governments like Russia (coincidentally, Durov was in Baku at the same time Putin was visiting, and there is…

> This makes them liable when they refuse governments' requests for such information If all the chats are e2e encrypted then the government will arrest you for designing chats in such a way that a backdoor is impossible Like we say in Russia, "as long as we have a man we can find a law to imprison him"

Well, maybe in russia but not in the USA. At least not yet. Check the history of PGP as an example of strong encryption the government was not happy about.
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