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Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by lukan »

pferde wrote: post #306
account42 wrote: post #272

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Better but a the real alternative is what we had before: publicly visible forums, mailing lists with an archive, etc. I'm not going to sign up for your discussion group without being able to get a feel for the community first.

Indeed. There can never be just one platform for project communication, because there are different kinds of communication - mostly sorted between synchronous and asynchronous. So, IRC, Matrix (these can even be interconnected) for synchronous, mailing lists or forums for asynchronous. And of course issue tracker, where some topical communication can happen as well, but that could completely be covered by mailing lis…

"There's no reason to ever have anything non-open in your FOSS project's infrastructure."

Except, that it is easier to set up? What you describe sounds reasonable. But someone needs to set all that up and host it and needs to be trusted etc.

So I guess if many people get involved and do set this up, they would convince the rest of the team to join them. But right now it is just a demand for more work for them.

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Post by [deleted] »

fabrice_d wrote: post #572
orsorna wrote: post #551

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After reading your comment I went over to the Github but failed to find the PR you described. Perhaps you can locate it? I did find this: https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/pull/366/files Do you think PRs like this carry an appropriate tone that demands they be addressed and merged?

See https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814 There's not much grace to find in the response of awesomekling in this PR.

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Post by arisu »

xcv123 wrote: post #502
amatecha wrote: post #485

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Thanks for letting us know this extremely important and relevant information about the founder. We need to shut down this project and get him cancelled and permanently banned from the software industry.

Nobody said that. But people should know these things so they can make an informed decision if they want to use and/or contribute to the project. Are you against that?

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Post by account42 »

scubbo wrote: post #429
account42 wrote: post #287

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> This of course comes at the cost of not being able to support non-free parts of the web standard such as DRM. That would be a benefit, not a cost.

Absolutism like this hurts adoption of otherwise-useful tools. Given the choice between a tool which simply cannot play DRM-protected content, and a tool which can, _ceteris paribus_ most consumers will prefer the former. If you believe there are other properties of a proposed tool that mean it is a public good for it to be adopted, it behooves you to make it attractive to adopt.

Most consumers will prefer the browser that comes with their OS or is advertised on google.com no matter what you do. Compromising your priciples to chase after the mass market is exactly the reason for the decline of Firefox.

DRM'd content on the web is also not nearly as common as you are implying it to be. Outside of specific streaming sites that many use through dedicated apps on their TV or phone anyway it is almost nonexistent so this crap doesn't need to be in your desktop or mobile browser. Not to mention that even with DRM support you are not guaranteed to get decent content if you are on the wrong OS or don't give up ownership of your entire display pipeline or just have slightly older hardware or live in the wrong country. It's also not hard to avoid these streaming services entirely.

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Post by koito17 »

cratermoon wrote: post #585
__float wrote: post #509

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What is "the drama"? Are you referring to something besides this announcement?

The drama: https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/blob/master/CONT... and this comment from awesomekling on their SerenityOS project https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814

I think Kling's response to the PR is unprofessional. However, there is no reason to start spamming the issue, after three years. Is that the drama?

My conclusion is to continue avoiding sites like X and the so-called "Fediverse".

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Post by torginus »

awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

Are you aiming for 100% compatibility with modern web standards or are you aiming for some sensible subset of it?

It seems to me that a large volume of code in Blink deals with obscure features with relatively niche use cases (such as WebRTC, WebUSB,WebGL, WebAudio and so on and so forth), which would mean a large amount of programmer effort for very little user-facing gain.

Additionally, in these areas, web standards tend to say 'whatever Chrome does', with FF often lifting large parts of Chrome code to support these features. Even if the above wasn't true, in practicality it is, since all clients are tested against Chrome, you'd need to follow all its quirks to have your browser be compatible.

Are you planning to do a clean room implementation of these features as well?

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by zarzavat »

arisu wrote: post #614

Please see https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814 If you want to use and/or contribute to such a project that's fine! And if not, that's fine too. But people should know.

Seems like a good way to filter out troublemakers.

Generic “he” is correct 20th century English. Singular “they” is correct 21st century English. Some people use “she”. I thought the current zeitgeist was to not judge people based on which pronouns they use :)

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Post by snvzz »

MobiusHorizons wrote: post #579
snvzz wrote: post #501

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Discord is not E2EE. It is a non-starter.

That doesn’t seem like a nonstarter if the goal is to have public conversations. While I certainly agree that E2EE could be very valuable to some of discord’s use cases, I expect there are a lot of valid use cases for public discussions in open source projects where E2EE would not be an improvement at all.

>public conversations

Not public. Got to register an account and accept Discord ToS first.

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