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It’s a tad ironic, that Assange has quite many links with pro ruzzian information bubble.
For a person in his position - he must’ve been very naive to have a show on ruzzia today.
Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free
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Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free
#612The whole saga is an interesting lesson in how a noble cause can end up helping anti-democratic forces. Assange gave the public invaluable information that would not have been know otherwise, but he ended up playing right into the hands of the people who wanted to discredit Clinton. Politics is complicated.
Clinton is not democracy. Anti-Clinton is not anti democracy. Being anti the US government is not anti democratic. And no, letting USA or any other nation for that matter commit war crimes quietly does not support democracy.
No one said Clinton is democracy that title goes to the dear leader Kim Jong-un.
That however does not mean you are the good guy for playing into the hands of an adversary that wanted to rig a democratic election.
Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free
#613Julian Assange reminds me of Martin Luther. Both men struck a devil's bargain with autocrats because they feared persecution by a powerful empire, and in doing so, they sacrificed the more utopian elements of their political/religious project.
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#614My issue is that he was influenced by Russia. Aka they threatened his life and he then proceeded to leak information about the US but keep Russian secrets. I mean I don’t blame him for not wanting to be murdered by Russia but he isn’t a freedom fighter when he only leaks things for countries that don’t directly threaten his life.
I agree with you on that. I dislike the partisanship that was demonstrated (even if coerced).
However, for me, personal feelings about him should not matter in this case. It's a question of how our society treats people that expose bad actors. He's a flawed human being like every other one, but what he did was not wrong even if deemed illegal (by the justice system from the exposed party, who would've guessed).
Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free
#615Earlier quoted context omitted.
Clinton is not democracy. Anti-Clinton is not anti democracy. Being anti the US government is not anti democratic. And no, letting USA or any other nation for that matter commit war crimes quietly does not support democracy.
No one said Clinton is democracy that title goes to the dear leader Kim Jong-un. That however does not mean you are the good guy for playing into the hands of an adversary that wanted to rig a democratic election.
Is people knowing more truthful facts to you considered “rigging an election”?
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#616Earlier quoted context omitted.
If he’s not actually a Russian agent then there are likely plenty of actual Russian agents doing a worse job of it than him.
If he is a Russian agent, Russia does more to help the US democracy than the US itself.
How exactly has Assange help us democracy.
Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free
#617My view of him changed when I saw a recording of him in a documentary saying that murdered Iraqi translators who worked with the US military got what they deserved for working with the enemy.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/18/julian... David Leigh and Luke Harding's history of WikiLeaks describes how journalists took Assange to Moro's, a classy Spanish restaurant in central London. A reporter worried that Assange would risk killing Afghans who had co-operated with American forces if he put US secrets online without taking the basic precaution of removing their names. "Well, they're inf…
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#618> and their children, who have only known their father from behind bars. Well thats fascinating. Were his kids somehow all born after he was imprisoned?
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#619Earlier quoted context omitted.
Clinton is not democracy. Anti-Clinton is not anti democracy. Being anti the US government is not anti democratic. And no, letting USA or any other nation for that matter commit war crimes quietly does not support democracy.
When Russia enables it, amplifies it, builds their disinformation and propaganda machine around those facts and there’s no counter weight it gets into the realm of anti-democratic adjacent. There’s nothing simple when it comes to international politics. But foreign meddling by an adversary is a pretty bright line.
That has nothing to do with democracy. On the contrary, a democracy needs the electorate to be informed and officials not having secrets or starting a war on the basis of lies.
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It’s a tad ironic, that Assange has quite many links with pro ruzzian information bubble. For a person in his position - he must’ve been very naive to have a show on ruzzia today.
It isn't ironic at all. It is like asking "Why does the ACLU support freedom of speech of people who strongly oppose the ACLU?" It really isn't defending freedom of speech if we only defend the freedom of speech we like, is it?