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Post by shiroiushi »

permo-w wrote: post #402
ok_dad wrote: post #258

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On HN, you can be sure there are several people who literally believe the world would be better without any regulations or laws forcing businesses to do anything. This place is the pinnacle of anarcho-capitalism.

at least here there's a spectrum of views that largely get by peacefully, and the entire place isn't focused on that conflict, a la twitter. yes there are lot of right-wing headcases entirely taken up by their own bottom-line, and yes the place itself is broadly funded and owned by people who think like, or at the very least, act like anarcho-capitalists, but they only really float to the surface when a post about re…

It could be worse of course, but it's something that needs to be kept in mind when using this site. I really think it should be a publicly-posted disclaimer.

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Post by shiroiushi »

stephen_g wrote: post #458
kuschku wrote: post #260

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Regulation isn't going to stop innovation that much, or the tech industry wouldn't be in california. The primary difference is that the US is one homogenous, huge market. If I build something in California, to California's laws, and it becomes a success, I can immediately sell it across the entire rest of the US, and I can expand across the US, using the same employment contracts as in california, same lawyers as in…

You’re discounting the fact that there’s plenty of internal movement in Europe - I worked with a French firm that had a bunch of Italians, some Swiss, an Englishman, two Spaniards and a bunch of Russians working there along with the French people, all living around and working in their Paris office. It wouldn’t be that hard to find people to translate your app and provide support in the major languages in most large…

In the US, you don't have to find people to translate your app and provide support in other languages at all. It would help if you did this for Spanish though, but that's it.

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Post by ganeshkrishnan »

rcpt wrote: post #272
ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #57

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which drone do you have? there is a DJI fly app version that you have to sideload. The current ones on playstore are just fine

Mini 2

I always had sideloaded fly app for mini 2. You can get it directly on the dji website

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Post by FormerBandmate »

janalsncm wrote: post #544
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Apple famously told the FBI to go pound sand when asked to help access an iPhone in an actual terrorism case (i.e. it wasn't about going after dissidents or journalists or anything), even though such help was definitely within Apple's technical power. Now, while admitting that I am no way claiming the US is perfect, does anyone actually think something even remotely similar would ever happen between a Chinese company…

There is a good book on the American surveillance apparatus Means of Control by Byron Tau. People are a lot more watched than they think. The Apple example is well-known because it is an exception. Much more common is not only compliance but making an entire business out of selling private data to the government. https://theintercept.com/2022/04/22/anomaly-six-phone-tracki... It really doesn’t matter that China is wo…

This thread is about China?

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Post by rayiner »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #568
rayiner wrote: post #525

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I agree in the abstract, but I think that’s encompassed by my point that the Republican base wants to fight fire with fire: https://youtu.be/iRYB6N8fBKQ?si=-bSwtvosf-o4PE0z . I think “principled Republicans” don’t know what time it is. Trump’s only mistake was not saying “I formally concede” before spending years saying the election was stolen. That’s the new normal and has been since 2000.

And yet, with all those examples in that video of Democrats saying those things (some of which I think are valid, e.g. that Russian propaganda did help Trump get elected even if there was no collusion, though I don't agree at all that this makes Trump's presidency "illegitimate"), trying to say that is equivalent to what Trump did in 2020/2021 is plain ridiculous. For one, despite her rhetoric, Hillary Clinton actual…

A concession has no legal effect. We have the tradition because it reassures the supporters of the losing candidate that the election system is trustworthy. If you say the word “concede” but then spend the next four years saying “the election was stolen” and “the president is illegitimate” you’re damaging public trust just as much as if you hadn’t conceded.

Gore, more than anyone in recent memory, deserves a special place in hell for helping turn American elections into the circus we have today. Gore exploited a loophole in Florida election law to seek hand recounts only in counties that had gone heavily in his favor. Since hand recounts identify valid votes the machine rejected, hand recounting a Gore-leaning subset of all the ballots would identify disproportionately more new Gore votes. It was blatant cheating, and on top of that the (apparently innumerate) Florida Supreme Court did things like allow the results of partially completed hand recounts to be added to certified election results. The U.S. Supreme Court struck down Gore’s shenanigans twice, once in a per curiam decision, and the other in a 7-2. (The part that everyone remembers, the 5-4 part, was only about whether to give Florida yet another chance to do a valid recount. But it was Gore’s fuckery that put the Supreme Court in the lose-lose position of having to decide that issue.)

There is nobody who hates election denial more than me. We should throw people in prison for saying that duly elected officers are illegitimate or that elections were stolen. We shouldn’t be able to litigate election results for all but the most obvious malfeasance. Seeing America today reminds me of the third world country I’m from, and it sickens me to see Americans behaving like third world people.

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Post by influx »

kube-system wrote: post #263
simplyluke wrote: post #256

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I’d flip the question and ask you by what metrics Europes tech sector is performing comparatively well. Employment? Average salary? ARR? I struggle to think of a metric that’s a positive outlier.

Vacation time.

I know a bunch of FAANG engineers that retired in their 30s and 40s, so the rest of their life is vacation time...

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Post by deciplex »

toss1 wrote: post #529
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To start: I do not trust the CCP, but my trust in the American legal system has been waning. What's the legal recourse for a US Citizen served with a dodgy FISA-related subpoena/warrant? Or if a government agency wants to purchase tracking data that includes my phone from a data collection agency? Say the state of Texas purchases geotracking data for app users who cross state lines.

Whatever slim you want to think your recourse is in the US, it is FAR better and broader than in the country that has uncounted mobile execution vans with zero available records of who is executed. At least the US is trying to be a democracy, and has largely functioning checks and balances. CCP is flat-out 'you cannot even talk or access information on things that make us look bad, such as Tibet or Tiananmen Protests…

> Playing false equivalence games will end very badly.

Okay: Chinese report higher satisfaction with their government and the direction their country is headed in than virtually any Western nation and much more than in the US. The Chinese economy is doing the opposite of enshittification, whereas the US is openly embracing the trend at this point with inflation / capital strikes, shrinkflation, consolidation, rent-seeking, and overall lower quality of goods and services. The home ownership rate in China is about 90%. Real wages in China are steadily rising and have been for decades - in the US they are falling and have done for decades.

America's primary means of diplomatic leverage is military domination but it can't even prevent the Houthis from a virtual blockade of the Red Sea and sea traffic through there has dropped 90%. Meanwhile China is transforming entire continents with its superior industrial capacity and soft power. They are the world leader in clean energy research and production. They got kicked out of the International Space Station so they built a better one and left an open invitation to the nations that kicked them out of the ISS, to join them on the Tiangong Space Station after they come to their senses.

China has already won. Chinese socialism, won. If there is a positive future for humanity at this point, it is in China and China alone. The West is still coming to grips with this. Posts like yours are transparently cope.

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Post by Brananarchy »

andrepd wrote: post #470
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>I don't think they're explicitly a CCP data-collection front In China you cannot not be explicitly a CCP data-collection front. China doesn't bring evidence to a judge in order to get a subpoena for data. They just go to DJI an get it. DJI has zero legal recourse if the CCP wants access to all DJI's stored data. Doesn't matter where that data is stored. Same thing for tiktok and why legislators are killing that too.…

Ahaha, as opposed to the US where... 3-letter agencies don't bring evidence to a judge, they just go to google/meta to get it.

This is absolutely a false equivalence.

Google and Meta choose to give the government all sorts of data that they're not required by law to give, because they don't see it as worthwhile to go to bat for their users. You can choose to use a vendor who will protect your privacy and demand full due process on the part of government requestors.

In China there is no due process and no choice of vendors who would demand it, even if they could.

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Post by MaxHoppersGhost »

ulfw wrote: post #599
MaxHoppersGhost wrote: post #522

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Oh yes someone who calls out US stupidity must be earning 50 cents. Funny how you forgot the (effective) ban on Chinese EVs (sorry "100% tariff only") too. Let's not even get into the ban of other manufacturers such as Huawei. So, more $100,000 Elon Cybertrucks are going to save the planet from the climate crisis we are facing? I stand by my question: what is the big plan here? Try to be somehow competitive by piece…

Ok I fixed my statement:

Banning tiktok, a drone manufacturer, a crappy phone manufacturer called Huawei, and shitty EVs isn’t banning “almost everything”.

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Post by sofixa »

wyager wrote: post #567
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> This attitude is why EU countries are mostly quite poor compared to the US and have relatively unproductive and low-tech economies. Source? Are you adjusting for cost of living, per capita, and using the median?

> Source? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)... > Are you adjusting for cost of living, per capita, and using the median? Yes, yes, and no (irrelevant because it barely shifts the result)

GDP and GDP PPP are almost irrelevant with regards to personal wealth or lack thereof. A factory making billions to its owner doesn't improve the revenues, wealth or standard of living of more than 1 person. A factory producing luxury Louis Vuitton handbags is good for GDP and the wealth of the factory owner, but is irrelevant to the living conditions of the workers. A private equity firm making wild bets is very "productive", GDP wise, but again , entirely irrelevant at a personal level. Even the worker's salary is tough to compare in isolation between countries because of the vastly different costs of living - an American having to pay tens of thousands of student loans back, with obscene housing prices, absurdly expensive healthcare... $200k/year in San Francisco might not get you as far as e.g. 100€k/year in Berlin (throwing numbers for illustration, haven't actually done the math).

Come on, this is Econ 101 and basic logic.

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