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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by moistoreos »

hwc wrote: post #561

I've been using Bitwarden for a few years. It seems to do everything I need, and is cross-platform. I have a soft spot in my heart for `pass` ( http://www.passwordstore.org/ ), but it's a pain to access it from my phone.

`pass` is an excellent case for storing passwords locally that you don't need to carry with you. I use a lot of login credentials for work on `pass` and it works great. If/when I need to upgrade laptops I can just back it up in git.

I use BW for all my personal stuff because my wife and I use it.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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kgilpin wrote: post #596

I have already been using iPhone Passwords for all my passwords. Anyone else doing this? It autofills passwords on the phone and I can copy a password from the phone Passwords and paste it on my MacBook. Whenever I do a password change, I have to do it on my phone, so that the new one will be stored. But that is fine with me. I’m happy to do that in exchange for being freed from “password managers”.

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by lilyball »

lenkite wrote: post #608
afavour wrote: post #579

Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…

Well, good to know that U.S. feds now just need to send a single ping to get all the world's passwords on Apple devices.

Apple doesn't have access to user keychains

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Post by hot_gril »

virgildotcodes wrote: post #606

I have to be missing something. Isn’t this just a new coat of paint over keychain? What’s so revolutionary about this? A lot of people seem to be acting like this is a really big deal. Is it cause it’s available on windows now?

Keychain has been around for decades, but the feature isn't as visible as third-party apps that also advertise themselves. On the Mac, you even had to go into the complicated Keychain Access utility to retrieve them.

I guess Apple just wants it to be more obvious that hey, you have a password manager already.

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Post by WWLink »

pshc wrote: post #610
kgilpin wrote: post #596

I have already been using iPhone Passwords for all my passwords. Anyone else doing this? It autofills passwords on the phone and I can copy a password from the phone Passwords and paste it on my MacBook. Whenever I do a password change, I have to do it on my phone, so that the new one will be stored. But that is fine with me. I’m happy to do that in exchange for being freed from “password managers”.

Yup, it's been super convenient to have iCloud sync all the keychain entries including wifi passwords, and quite secure and private. I also enable keychain sync on my Mac so I can create passwords there too.

Crazy thing is that there's a plugin for windows to use them as well. https://support.apple.com/guide/icloud-windows/set-up-icloud...

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Post by vohk »

afavour wrote: post #579

Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…

I don't have a problem with the subscriptions. I've tried out a number of options over the years, including KeePass, LastPass, 1Password, and most recently Bitwarden.

KeePass was a great bit of software but managing the vault syncing myself and having to wait for (and trust) the third-party Firefox extension to update was tiresome. For about a buck a month, LP was a pretty good deal and handled all of that overhead for me.

I eventually moved to 1Password and it's still what I recommend to most people. $45CAD a year is a pittance for how often I use it. The app and extensions are always up to date, they "just work" even for my 70 year old father. At $12CAD a year, Bitwarden is pretty damn reasonable too.

I don't get the hand-wringing when it comes to reasonably priced services. Development and infrastructure costs money. Yes, a power user can manage everything entirely with free software and a portable sqlite db but that isn't sensible approach for the vast majority of people.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by hot_gril »

ipqk wrote: post #127

I've been an avid 1Password user for over 10 years, but since they gone full-throttle targeting the enterprise market, I'm getting more and more annoyed. It's increasingly buggy (right now, it thinks I haven't migrated from 1p7 which causes annoying interstitials that I can't close. Over a month and no fix yet.). They killed standalone vaults. Obvious feature requests (e.g archive an entire vault) sit there for years…

What's new that lets you jump ship now?

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Post by hot_gril »

babypuncher wrote: post #587
rootusrootus wrote: post #483

I wonder if the biggest side benefit to a player like Apple getting into this game is the pressure it puts on web site developers to follow some kind of convention with their login forms. The vast majority of the time I have trouble filling a password, it's because the web developer did some wacky shit with the fields that make them unrecognizable, or in the worst case actively prevent pasting a password. It's one th…

> actively prevent pasting a password. I will NEVER understand this one. Do they want me to pick a shitty password? I'm not gong to type a string of of 20 mixed-case and special characters into a private text box on my phone. It always takes 3 or 4 tries to even get it right.

An alphanumeric password doesn't have to be bad or hard to remember. Mixed case and symbols don't add much security. But still, should be paste-able.

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Post by jimnotgym »

pasc1878 wrote: post #507
jimnotgym wrote: post #459

I feel like an old man saying it, but does anyone else remember competition law existing?

Here there is no problem. You have a completely free choice to use 1password, BitWarden, KeePass etc ..... Apple is not stopping you. Forcing all browsers on iOS to use Safari is a different matter.

Were Microsoft forcing you to use Internet Explorer?

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Post by hot_gril »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #447

I’ve had my iCloud account corrupted twice since they switched from dot Mac. Zero chance I’ll ever trust Apple with anything serious. I don’t even trust them to keep my contacts safe from corruption. Never going to trust them with my passwords.

This hasn't happened to me, but enabling iCloud notes deleted all my notes. Kinda ridiculous for an app that had one simple job.
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