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Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by Terretta »

jaimie wrote: post #597
zooq_ai wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also as time goes by, it'll get smoothly integrated into docs/gmail/maps/calendar/youtube/search/colab/sheets/android/assistant So Gemini could by your one-stop AI shop for everything. Only Microsoft can match it (but Microsoft doesn't have a popular maps, youtube, mail, smartphone OS service). Apple is another strong player (but they don't have productivity tools like docs, sheets or youtube). It really is Google's…

Strange to say Apple doesn't have productivity tools when Pages, Sheets, and Keynote exist on every Mac. I get the scale arguments, but Handoff and iCloud integration are a sleeper IF you've bought into the ecosystem... Also hard to overstate just how much more valuable the enterprise market is over the consumer market when comparing Microsoft vs. Google as one-stop anything shops. I don't see Google as having the ob…

There's a Google bubble on HN, as demonstrated by small-to-medium business facing SaaS launching here offering login with Google and not offering login with Microsoft.

I've talked to many of HN's Google Docs jockey founders that genuinely didn't realize 85% of the US domestic business market is in M365. And they further don't realize that "Continue with Microsoft" is dirt simple and lets companies offer company-managed logins to your SaaS without all the AD/SCIM/SAML nonsense.

"But everyone has Gmail." Well, no, that's not how companies work. And if you think everyone's in Google, that's fine, your login page should look like one of these:

https://www.xsplit.com/user/auth

https://id.atlassian.com/login

You don't even need the "continue with SSO" if you do the Atlassian practice of letting a firm "claim" the domain part of an email and using that to redirect to an SSO flow. And to start, skip SSO, and just use the "Continue with" Oauth2.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by api »

bilalq wrote: post #547

> Your conversations are processed by human reviewers to improve the technologies powering Gemini Apps. Don’t enter anything you wouldn’t want reviewed or used. I appreciate them being upfront with that, but for a paid feature, it sucks that they offer no privacy or opt-out mechanism.

If it's not running locally you have no privacy, so what they say should be assumed in all cases that something is hosted unless it somehow operates across encrypted data.

The only exception might be if the agreement explicitly prohibits the provider from doing anything with your data or even viewing it without your permission, but that's rare.

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Post by summerlight »

rvnx wrote: post #97
alphabetting wrote: post #83

Gemini Ultra seems better on logic than GPT4. Still messing around testing but here's a prompt Ultra nailed but GPT4 completely botched: Tabitha likes cookies but not cake. She likes mutton but not lamb, and she likes okra but not squash. Following the same rule, will she like cherries or pears https://i.imgur.com/KW6gQbc.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/OSHSvLp.png

Proof of Gemini cheating: https://i.imgur.com/eYJDFjS.png Answer about cherries falling from the sky... (there is no question or context beforehand, this is the first question of the chat)

With some shallow understanding on how those models work, this looks much more like usual hallucination likely due to sparse data around "Tabitha" and "Cherry" which makes a single training data much more representative. If you try some common names like "Emily" or "Sarah", it will just do the job.

If you're trying to make the case that it's cheating because it is already in the training set, then you probably should come up with different questions. This is machine learning 101.

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Post by pb7 »

DreamGen wrote: post #613

Curious how this is on the front-page, despite falling down to the second page for a while, and having so many more comments than upvotes (which usually results in demotion of the story).

The comments were moved from multiple upvoted stories including this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39300679

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Post by jstummbillig »

cwkoss wrote: post #601
jimmyl02 wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like you can disable the data being used from training by turning off gemini app activity. > You can turn Gemini Apps Activity off If you don’t want future conversations reviewed or used to improve machine-learning models, turn off Gemini Apps Activity Opens in a new window .

There's a thing that says even with activity off, they retain for 72 hours for "safety and reliability"

Seems like what any reasonably sized corporation would do with an entirely new product, based on entirely new and very unreliable tech.

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Post by polotics »

lagt_t wrote: post #419
tarvaina wrote: post #299

Did I get this right? Bard – old name of their generative AI service, to be called Gemini Duet AI – old name for their generative AI in Google Workspace, to be called Gemini Gemini – three things: 1. the name of their models (like GPT). 2. the new name of their free service (like ChatGPT), gives access to Pro 1.0 but not Ultra 1.0. 3. the new name of the Generative AI tools in Google Workspace. Gemini Advanced – the…

Gemini pro is order of magnitude better than GPT-3.5 Its pretty close to GPT-4.

Do you have data to substantiate this? I was happy RAGging with it but colleagues swear by GPT4's wisdom, saying things like Gemini forgets the middle of contexts, hallucinates the meaning of acronyms, and so on...

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Post by Workaccount2 »

zooq_ai wrote: post #327
ipsum2 wrote: post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

Also as time goes by, it'll get smoothly integrated into docs/gmail/maps/calendar/youtube/search/colab/sheets/android/assistant So Gemini could by your one-stop AI shop for everything. Only Microsoft can match it (but Microsoft doesn't have a popular maps, youtube, mail, smartphone OS service). Apple is another strong player (but they don't have productivity tools like docs, sheets or youtube). It really is Google's…

Google still has too much internal fragmentation and power groups to offer a single google-subscriber package.

I'd say it is one of the most compelling reasons to kick Sundar out and get in someone who can unify google into one consistent and interoperable ecosystem.

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Post by CuriouslyC »

zooq_ai wrote: post #327
ipsum2 wrote: post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

Also as time goes by, it'll get smoothly integrated into docs/gmail/maps/calendar/youtube/search/colab/sheets/android/assistant So Gemini could by your one-stop AI shop for everything. Only Microsoft can match it (but Microsoft doesn't have a popular maps, youtube, mail, smartphone OS service). Apple is another strong player (but they don't have productivity tools like docs, sheets or youtube). It really is Google's…

Google is going to own AI like intel owns graphics cards - i.e. Not really, except at the absolute bottom of the barrel where its baked in advantage lets it offer an unbeatable price/performance proposition for people who only care about "value" and with limited real performance requirements. Google's baked in AIs will be free, and bad. Everyone else is going to let people "plug in" models via standardized APIs, because one size fits all models are just a bad idea, so that's the way google is going to have to go eventually as well, because it's what power users are going to demand.

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Post by [deleted] »

LightMachine wrote: post #373
ajross wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think we have a winner... It makes me sad that the complete and total lack of an objective way to measure these products means that the coming decades will be filled with this kind of hyper-specific gotcha test made in inappropriately confident internet posts. Literally this could have been down to one extra book in someone's training corpus, or a tokenizer that failed to understand λ as a non-letter. But no matt…

You're completely wrong. Gemini can perfectly understand what is being asked, so this isn't a syntax issue. Notice that, on the answer, it even states the solution: "starting from 1, and combining `* 2`, `* 3` and `+ 5`, we must reach 17`". So it does fine with reading the formal syntax, yet it fails to combine these operations to get from "1" to "17", which is something most 10 yo kids would have no trouble doing. A…

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