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Post by checkyoursudo »

soderfoo wrote: post #319
joshstrange wrote: post #308

Well I give up. I think everyone is a "loser" in the current situation. With Ilya signing this I have literally no clue what to believe anymore. I was willing to give the board the benefit of the doubt since I figured non-profit > profit in terms of standing on principal but this timeline is so screwy I'm done. Ilya votes for and stands behind decision to remove Altman, Altman goes to MS, other employees want him bac…

It's almost like a ChatGPT hallucination. Where will this all go next? It seems like HN is melting down.

Part of sama's job was to turn the crank on the servers every couple of hours, so no surprise that they are winding down by now.

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Post by numpad0 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #358
breadwinner wrote: post #51

If they join Sam Altman and Greg Brockman at Microsoft they will not need to start from scratch because Microsoft has full rights [1] to ChatGPT IP. They can just fork ChatGPT. Also keep in mind that Microsoft hasn't actually given OpenAI $13 Billion because much of that is in the form of Azure credits. So this could end up being the cheapest acquisition for Microsoft: They get a $90 Billion company for peanuts. [1]…

> Microsoft hasn't actually given OpenAI $13 Billion because much of that is in the form of Azure credits To be clear, these don't go away. They remain an asset of OpenAI's, and could help them continue their research for a few years.

A $13B lawsuit against Microsoft Corporation clearly in the wrong surely is an easy one.

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Post by kulmala »

hospitalJail wrote: post #413
tarruda wrote: post #246

The whole thing starts to look like a coup orchestrated by Microsoft

A few weeks ago my 4yr old Minecraft gamer was playing pretend and said "I'm fighting the biggest boss. THE MICROSOFT BOSS!" Yeah M$ hasnt had a good reputation. I finally left Windows this year because I'm afraid of them after Win11. 2023/4 will be the year of the Linux Desktop in retrospect. (or at least my family's religion deemed it)

Why did it take Windows 11? (Haven't personally used it, but having helped my dad and my coworkers try to navigate it... it does seem pretty terrible. I thought Windows 10 was supposed to fold on to just... 'Windows' with rolling updates?)

I've been using Linux for a while. Since 2010 I sort of actively try to avoid using anything else. (On desktops/laptops.)

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Post by golergka »

autaut wrote: post #405

Years from now we will look back to today as the watershed moment when ai went from technology capable of empowering humanity, to being another chain forged by big investors to enslave us for the profits of very few ppl. The investors (Microsoft and the Saudi’s) stepped in and gave a clear message: this technology has to be developed and used only in ways that will be profitable for them.

Microsoft is a publicly traded company. An average “investor” of a publicly traded company, through all the funds and managers, is a midwestern school teacher.

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Post by vel0city »

bnralt wrote: post #510
boh wrote: post #312

There can exist an inherent delusion within elements of a company, that if left unchallenged, can persist. An agreement for instance, can seem airtight because it's never challenged, but falls apart in court. The OpenAI fallacy was that non-profit principals were guiding the success of the firm, and when the board decided to test that theory, it broke the whole delusion. Had it not fully challenged Altman, the board…

> Now the cat is out of the bag, and people no longer believe that a non-profit who can act at will is a trusted vehicle for the future. And maybe it’s not. The big mistake people make is hearing non-profit and think it means there’s a greater amount of morality. It’s the same mistake as assuming everyone who is religious is therefore more moral (worth pointing out that religions are nonprofits as well). Most hospita…

> Most hospitals are nonprofits, yet they still make substantial profits and overcharge customers.

They don't make large profits otherwise they wouldn't be nonprofits. They do have massive revenues and will find ways to spend the money they receive or hoard it internally as much as they can. There are lots of games they can play with the money, but experiencing profits is one thing they can't do.

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Post by playingalong »

spinningslate wrote: post #120
tedivm wrote: post #17

This was handled so very, very poorly. Frankly it's looking like Microsoft is going to come out of this better than anyone, especially if they end up getting almost 500 new AI staff out of it (staff that already function well as a team). > In their letter, the OpenAI staff threaten to join Altman at Microsoft. “Microsoft has assured us that there are positions for all OpenAI employees at this new subsidiary should we…

> Microsoft is going to come out of this better than anyone Exactly. I'm curious about how much of this was planned vs emergent. I doubt it was all planned: it would take an extraordinary mind to foresee all the possible twists. Equally, it's not entirely unpredictable. MS is the easiest to read: their moves to date have been really clear in wanting to be the primary commercial beneficiary of OAI's work. OAI itself i…

> it would take an extraordinary mind

They could've asked ChatGPT for hints.

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Post by idopmstuff »

xdennis wrote: post #538
ignoramous wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Likely Ilya and Adam swayed Helen and Tasha. Booted Sam out. Greg voluntarily resigned. Ilya (at the urging of Satya and his colleagues including Mira) wanted to reinstate Sam, but the deal fell through with the Board outvoting Sustkever 3 to 1. With Mira deflecting, Adam got his mate Emmett to steady the ship but things went nuclear.

Is this your guess or do you have something to back it up?

Don't listen to him, he's an ignoramus.

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Post by [deleted] »

_cenw wrote: post #600
brigadier132 wrote: post #545

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazing how you don't see this as a complete win for workers because the workers chose profit over non-profit. This is the ultimate collective bargaining win. Labor chose Microsoft over the bullshit unaccountable ethics major and the movie star's girlfriend.

situations are capable of being small scale wins for some and big picture losses at the same time, what boring commentary

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Post by imiric »

boringg wrote: post #232
ecshafer wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its early West coast time, dang has to wake up first.

I bet he's up making sure the servers aren't crashing! Thanks dang! As the west coast wakes up .. HN is going to be busy...

It's _a_ server, a single-core one at that.

I get that HN takes pride in the amount of traffic that poor server can handle, but scaling out is long overdue. Every time there's a small surge of traffic like today, the site becomes unusable.

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