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Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Anyone else find it strange that startup founders of the magnitude of Sam & Greg would join a gigantic corporation as employees? It sounds very out of line of what you'd expect.

They must be getting a king's ransom. Turns out sama didn't need equity, he got paid by getting fired.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Sounds desperate to me, a bit like that 'I'm in the office' photo-op. A bit like having access to the models or whatever is sustaining him somehow lol

Lol Desperate... Right... The guy met with the Arabs a few weeks back about billions in financing for a new venture. The guys desperate like I'm Donald duck.

So he passed up billions to go work for microsoft ...

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Ok so what have we learnt:

- 5 days ago, Microsoft announced it was making its own AI chips.

- 3 days ago, OpenAI board fires Altman and Brockman

- 2 days ago, we heard that Altman was in talks to raise funds to build an AI chip startup

- yesterday, it was clear Altman was not coming back to OpenAI

- today, Altman joins Microsoft

Anyone can connect the dots?

Nothing makes sense to me.

The only thing that seems to be clear is that Ilya Sutskever is only guy around who has an ounce of integrity.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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I'm guessing this is the end of OpenAI. People aren't going to want to work at OpenAI anymore due to the value destruction that just occurred. It's going to be hard for them to raise money now because of the bad rep they have now. It going to be hard for them to hire top talent. You have two leaders, top engineers and researchers leaving the company. Google and Facebook come in a grab up any top talent that still the…

If I would be betting, I would bet on Altman and Microsoft as well, because in the real world, evil usually wins, but I'm just really astonished by all this rhetoric here on HN. Like, firing Altman is a horrible treason, and people wouldn't want to work with those traitors anymore. Altman is the guy, who is responsible for making OpenAI "closed", which was a constant reason for complaints since it happened. When it a…

Murati was interim ceo for 2 days.

She's going with Altman in all likelyhood.

Ilya is the one changing tac.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds desperate to me, a bit like that 'I'm in the office' photo-op. A bit like having access to the models or whatever is sustaining him somehow lol

Lol Desperate... Right... The guy met with the Arabs a few weeks back about billions in financing for a new venture. The guys desperate like I'm Donald duck.

Wonder if they'll take his call today!

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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I don’t quite buy your Cyberpunk utopia where the Megacorp finally rids us of those pesky ethics qualms (or ”shackles“, as you phrased it.) Microsoft can now proceed without the guidance of a council that actually has humanities interests in mind, not only those of Microsoft shareholders. I don’t know whether all that caution will turn out to have been necessary, but I guess we’re just gleefully heading into whatever…

I am not claiming how right or wrong the final outcome would be, but owning the technology with a clear "for-profit" objective is definitely a better structure for Microsoft and for Sam Altman as well (considering, his plans for the future). I have no opinion on AI risk. I just think that a super valuable technology under a non-profit objective was simply an untenable structure, regardless of potential threats.

Better for MS and Altman, that's exactly.

AI should benefit mankind, not corporate profit.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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I don’t think Sam will stay at Microsoft for too long, but this is a logical move forward as damage to OpenAI is already done even if Sam goes back. Besides it is MS who enabled this scale and it perhaps is Sam who negotiated it to begin with.

These other execs simply can’t stand the ground against him being excellent technologist and leader who talks the language of devs. I doubt the rest of these C level people in the board know said language that well…

Besides the whole ‘not for profit’ BS is at this point completely irrelevant, because delivering such costly service at that scale can only be made with, for, and by profit. Whoever thinks otherwise had not followed the history of computing last 100 or so years. And history of humanity perhaps.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Satya is the best CEO in tech and it isnt even close

Honest question, why is he the best CEO?

He performed an unbelievable turnaround. His predecessor, famed for sweating a lot, yelling (sometimes positively, not necessarily in anger), throwing chairs and insisting on giving the keynote speech every year at MWC while being irrelevant, was driving the company into the ground.

Satya reverted the course spectacularly - and most importantly, he did NOT miss the "once-in-a-lifetime" opportunity which he had. Unlike Billg (who missed the dawn of the Internet) and the chair-throwing dude (who fumbled Mobile), Satya is making sure Microsoft does NOT miss AI. Which is even more impressive as Google was kind of expected to be the winner initially, given the whole company's focus , mission statement ("to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful") and a considerable (at the time) lead, if not a moat.

I dare to compare his turnaround to Jobs'. Sure, MSFT wasn't weeks away from insolvency when he took over, and some of their current successes were indeed started before his tenure, but just look at where Windows 8 was going.

*Edit: Just as a clarification: Not an employee, I actually dislike them profoundly and would never join them. I'm not sure this move is the best outcome for mankind - but credit where credit's due, they were shrewd, smart and right on time. Hats off.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Seems like a good compromise? OpenAI continues to develop core AI offered over API. Microsoft builds the developer ecosystem around it -- that's Sam's expertise anyway. Microsoft has made a bunch of investment in the developer ecosystem in GitHub and that fits the theme. Assuming Sam sticks around. Also, the way the tweet is worded (looking forward to working with OpenAI), seems like its a truce negotiated by Satya?

This is Microsoft starting a copy machine to replace OpenAI with in-house tech in medium to long term. Apparently Microsoft already had plans to spend $50 billion on cloud hardware. Now they are getting software talent and insider knowledge to replace OpenAI software with in-house tech built by Sam, Greg and others that will join. Satya just pulled a kill move on OpenAI.

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