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Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by suziemanul »

motoboi wrote: post #559
throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #539

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> There is "coding" and there is "God's spark genius of algorithms" kind of work. I really don't buy that for a second. Most of OpenAI's value compared to any competitor comes from the money they spent hiring humans to trawl through training data.

And their competition didn’t had the same resources?

This is a handful of people we are talking about. The top algorithimic world is incredibly small.

In short, either they didn't or where unable to create a favorable enough environment for this to flourish.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by Kye »

macintux wrote: post #594
Kye wrote: post #583

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This will blow your mind but English has endless dialects and minor variations. This is like complaining that someone calls soda pop or says y'all.

Englisc must ðêos hwierfan

My very rough attempt at translation: "Yes, English must change"

Am I close?

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by orand »

Kye wrote: post #583
angoragoats wrote: post #574

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> It seems less of a lift I’ve seen this expression a lot recently and it baffles me. The word you are looking for is “effort,” or if you prefer adjectives, maybe something like “difficult.”

This will blow your mind but English has endless dialects and minor variations. This is like complaining that someone calls soda pop or says y'all.

Spoken like a true language hypergrowth apologist.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by suziemanul »

sbrother wrote: post #565
belter wrote: post #473

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If all of that would be enough, there would be a ChatGPT from Google, a long time ago...

Google invented the core technology, and they had an internal version long before ChatGPT was released. I joined when it was already at the "accessible to all employees" stage and it absolutely blew my mind. They just hadn't -- and still haven't -- figured out how to commercialize it yet. I don't think they'll be the ones to crack that nut either. IMO they are too obsessed with "safety" to release something useful, a…

I remember seeing short stories generated back in 2020 and they were sort of cool but not that great.

Scaling of training was the challenge back then (of course).

Google was already too corporate. Please remember that Sergey Brin and Larry Page were no longer at the steering wheel back then. I have been told that it was also a cultural issue linked to "delivering brilliance". Simplifying: Google promoted tiny teams or individual contributors building things that had to become a massive success quickly. Open AI took a number of hand picked brilliant people and let them work together on a common goal, silently, for quite some time.

Some companies just have an unfair advantage. A certain magic. And OpenAI's magic is at risk right now.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by suziemanul »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #557
belter wrote: post #473

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If all of that would be enough, there would be a ChatGPT from Google, a long time ago...

Wasn’t OpenAI populated in part by Google Brain people who left Google’s bs bureaucracy and internal politics?

Totally, most of the Transformers folks ;-)

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Post by Davidzheng »

visarga wrote: post #259
thr8976 wrote: post #4

Aleksander in particular is deeply invested in AI safety as a mission. It's a very confusing departure, since most of the reporting so far indicates that Ilya and the board fired Sam to prioritize safety and non-profit objectives. A huge loss for OpenAI nonetheless.

> most of the reporting so far indicates that Ilya and the board fired Sam to prioritize safety and non profit objectives Maybe Ilya discovered something as head of AI safety research, something bad, and they had to act on it. From the outside it looks as if they are desperately trying to gain control. Maybe he got confirmation that LLMs are a little bit conscious, LOL. No, I am not making this up: https://twitter.co…

lol sorry if this is clearly a joke but who cares if it's a little bit conscious. So are fucking pigeons.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by suziemanul »

m_ke wrote: post #588
RockCoach wrote: post #500

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>My bet is that it could be all about some research directions that were "shielded" by Sam. As far as I can tell, all three of them are of Polish descent. For all we know they might have decided to resign together even if only one of them had a personal issue with OpenAI's vision. We will find out soon enough whether they will just found their own competing startup, based on OpenAI's "secret sauce" or not.

I wonder if Wojciech Zaremba will leave as well

Yeah... Curious to see how this will unfold.

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Post by Davidzheng »

aidaman wrote: post #156
lannisterstark wrote: post #19

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Doomerism when it comes to technology has always been such a weird mindset to me. "oh no, they're gonna take the horses/horse buggies/telegram/landlines away!" "Goddamn, how dare they invent the bigger cannons!?" - Romans, 1453, in Constantinople probably. (One incident where I can use my exempt powers).

Most of the time the technology is not building an artificial intelligent computer that is capable of superhuman reasoning. Have you used gpt4? it's reasoning capabilities match human ability. The more you think about it, the more scary the reality becomes. GPT 4 can reason through any mental exercise as well as a human. The rest of the work to make it autonomous is simple in comparison.

Please. Next year maybe but have a little respect please

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

waihtis wrote: post #257
anonymouskimmer wrote: post #142

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Through what mechanism would it democratize power? I thought the GPTs were already limited to regular end users due to computational constraints. Most people can't afford dozens of Nvidia GPUs and the API infrastructure to data mine.

computers used to fill rooms and now you carry one in your pocket

And yet rich companies and government agencies still have computers which fill rooms. https://www.energy.gov/supercomputing-and-exascale

And those which are carried in our pockets are no longer capable of being home brewed.

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