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Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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> I hope the GSM association moves fast to make robust E2EE a standard required for proper implementation for carriers. This is pretty moot now. Google has effectively turned RCS into a proprietary protocol, they fully control the only relevant server implementation, carriers that want to interconnect have no choice but to deploy Jibe or use Jibe as a service.

Apple implementing RCS will surely be a major change to that.

I doubt it. I see no reason for Apple to get involved in the self-inflicted mess between carriers and Google.

Working against a single server implementation with a standardized client provisioning mechanism is much easier too.

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Carriers supported it. Just Apple didn't, for a long time. The reason is obvious: To increase their market dominance in the US, where iMessage is common. Especially among US teens this was apparently successful. Teens didn't want to be the lame green bubble kids with reduced messaging features. They flocked to iPhones. RCS is (was) the prime example of Apple's anticompetitive behavior, after the App Store exclusivity…

Google could have released a rcs messenger app on iOS this whole time. Not sure what they were doing

Doubly so considering releasing chat apps is #2 on the list of things they are the most well known for after their search engine.

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When elephants fight, the grass suffers.

When companies compete, consumers win.

Up to a point. Afterwards, consumers suffer from garbage products, enshittified services, and under-reported inflation, while companies compete themselves to oblivion.

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Absolutely hilarious to see the willingness for folks on this platform to advocate the opening up of something a company built by fiat. Because YOU don't want to adapt you're asking nay advocating the forceful opening up of another platform to do it for you. That's just lazy. Think about it like this: You create a super successful bit of software -- let's call it an operating system -- that runs on a very popular and…

> Absolutely hilarious to see the willingness for folks on this platform to advocate the opening up of something a company built by fiat. Yes, it's called creating standards and fostering free market competition. This has happened REPETEDLY and time and time again. Pretty much every standard, cable and tech you're using that works on multiple manufacturers was "something a company built by fiat". If I'm facetious as…

Standards come out of standards bodies. There's nothing other than a law or a lawsuit or the threat thereof that would compel to open iMessage as a standard. It's a competitive value-add to adopting the platform.

Free markets are I create something awesome and profit from it not am then forced to allow you and everyone else to build off of my hard work unless I choose to or am forced to.

If Apple was approached by governments or other institutions to use iMessage as the basis of some standard which iirc hasn't been done that'd be one thing. What we do know is that RCS is inferior to iMessage in many ways.

So Apple will adopt standards compliant RCS but it likely won't be the same and lazy Android users who want to stick to the stock app will get to enjoy the spoils of a half-baked solution.

My issue is with this mob mentality of forcing the hand by fiat, lawsuit, or otherwise to coerce a company to open up a tech/product/platform when they built it with no intentions of opening it -- it's proprietary by design.

The free-market works when someone else builds something -- in this case a better phone experience -- that would cause folks to move to that and abandon iMessage. But no -- let's keep our pitchforks and keep insisting some wierd collective ownership bias that means you or I or anyone else has some say over the property and tech of another person or company. Because, sure that makes sense.

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> There is no reason for there to be such messaging incompatibility between iOS and Android. My feeling is that Apple knows the regulatory winds are shifting very much against anticompetitive behavior, and their iMessage incompatibility was just looking like the blatant protectionism that it is. iMessage is and always was for iPhone users to communicate with other iPhone users. It will send messages over SMS as a fal…

>I see all arguments to force Apple to open up iMessage as punishing them for building a platform that people want that the majority of the US has bought into. I see all arguments that Apple shouldn't be forced to open up iMessage (or implement RCS) as forcing me to have a worse phone experience because I didn't buy an iPhone from the company that said "if you want to sideload apps, buy an Android". "Just use a third…

> "Just use a third-party app" is not a solution for people who text with the normal messaging app, and I sure as hell would never beg them to migrate to Whatsapp of all things.

But there's no reason to move. Your messages still get to iPhone users via SMS with a different color. What's the beef with the blue v. green anyway? The messages get there. Don't like it? There's plenty of iPhones or other iOS devices that can be had for cheap. They'll last a long time, they'll get tons of updates, they're secure. What's not to love?

Or there are third-party services that you can pay for like Beeper that will act as a bridge.

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And there’s no true Scotsman. This sort of thing is - in practice - what capitalism looks like in the 21st century.

I believe Peter Thiel would say that capitalism and competition are opposites, and the goal of capitalism is monopoly. https://morfene.com/021.pdf

I'm not sure why people always attribute this observation to Thiel, as if it was something fringe, given how obvious and apparent it is.

The goal of a profit-seeking entity is to maximize profit. That is achieved by becoming a monopoly. Competition is just the consequence of multiple entities trying to become a monopoly - there can be only one. This is the motive part of market economy. The energy source.

Now, monopolies are obviously bad for society. Therefore, markets are regulated to prevent monopolies. This turns the market into an engine. You have constant inflow of upstarts dreaming of riches, fighting each other out to reach the throne of a monopolist, only to be denied it by regulation, and eventually become broken and/or pushed out by the younger followers.

Or, via another analogy: the market economy is designed like a donkey chasing a carrot on a stick attached to the animal, while standing on a treadmill. Being surprised that monopoly is the goal of companies is like being surprised the donkey would chase the carrot.

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I'm 39 and SMS not being unlimited was a huge thing. I never thought it would be unlimited, when that happened (Suncom? I forget who started it) it was huge. This was a LONG time ago though, long before WhatsApp. Probably 15-18 for me. I remember a lot of conversations in high school going "My plans maxed out can you text $friend?" IIRC you had to specifically turn off receiving texts or they'd charge you for each on…

I don't doubt that SMS were not always unlimited in the US. But the question here is: Were there any (reasonably popular) plans that provided data for smartphones, but not unlimited texting? If not, that couldn't have been a factor in the adoption of iMessage in the US.

It’s not a factor at all. By the time smartphones and data plans came out, they all included unlimited texts. I’m sure there was a small carrier here and there but AT&T didn’t offer it with the first iPhone. This is US specific.

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>I see all arguments to force Apple to open up iMessage as punishing them for building a platform that people want that the majority of the US has bought into. I see all arguments that Apple shouldn't be forced to open up iMessage (or implement RCS) as forcing me to have a worse phone experience because I didn't buy an iPhone from the company that said "if you want to sideload apps, buy an Android". "Just use a third…

> I sure as hell would never beg them to migrate to Whatsapp of all things. In many places, most people wouldn't. But Europeans (and some others) seem eager to BCC all their texts to Mark Zuckerberg for some reason.

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Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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And there’s no true Scotsman. This sort of thing is - in practice - what capitalism looks like in the 21st century.

I believe Peter Thiel would say that capitalism and competition are opposites, and the goal of capitalism is monopoly. https://morfene.com/021.pdf

If you think capitalism like whe have today, using the government as regulation platforms, sure. If you think capitalism as a system where you free to pursue your capital, not so sure its sustainable to keep a monopoly.
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