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What I learned getting acquired by Google

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Re: What I learned getting acquired by Google

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It is great for living, for raising kids. For life. Taxes in Europe are huge, but comparable with taxes in California. Just sum all federal, state, local taxes on the salary, property taxes, sales taxes, health insurance fee, college tuition fee. Don't forget to add 25% tips to that. Count also small vacation, maternity leave and sick leave. And then compare for example with France. And not to mention you wouldn't fi…

I'm sorry, I don't think you have sufficient perspective on what middle class life is like in France to make this comment with any justification. French taxation is incredibly complex and heavy on the middle class. It is financially unfeasible for most middle class households to pass down their homes to their children due to the estate tax kicking on assets over 100,000 eur. There are many unhoused people spread acro…

> College is vastly more restricted in France and unavailable to the majority of the population.

French citizen here, I'm really surprised by what your saying as it doesn't match at all what I've seen about french higher education.

> French taxation is incredibly complex and heavy on the middle class

Yes and no. French taxation can be complex, but it's also mostly pre-filled and automatized. For most people, it's simply a matter of checking if the tax form is correct (and I've never had an incorrect one so far, as my employer automatically transmit my paycheck info to the government)

> Life grinds to a halt with some regularity due to general strikes

There are often disturbance due to strike, but "Life grinds to a halt" is also widely hyperbolic. The last real impactful strike I remember was the late 2019 month-long strike on parisian public transport, which was annoying (and was quickly followed by Covid lockdown)

But I also agree on many points you bring, there tend to be far less upward social mobility than in the USA (I'm always surprised by how fast people seem to be promoted in the USA), and generally more disposable income and opportunities. On the other hand, instead of having everyone thinking themselves as "temporary embarrassed millionaires", it's more accepted that even lower socio-economic classes should have decent working and living conditions, along with a better safety net.

On the plus side, apparently very few place in the USA are actually walk-able, even the malls seems to need a long drive instead of being part of living in a city. There also aren't any food desert, with unprocessed food cheap, tasty[1] and widely available. Also, while there certainly are a fair share of drugs and homelessness, it's quite also quite safe[2].

[1] I know how smug that will sound, but all the echo I have is that fruits and vegetable in the USA taste very bland, and are far less nutrient-rich than they used to be a few generations ago. A friend who visited the USA was shocked about it, and half-seriously though he had Covid when he tried them, and he wasn't the only one.

[2] There are however pick-pocketing targeting tourists, especially asian, but a "hot" neighborhood in France is waaaay safer than a hot neighborhood in the USA.

Re: What I learned getting acquired by Google

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Not at Google but I was a contractor at a hospital. All the employees got active shooter training. I guess the contractors were meant to be fodder.

This is why I don't even transit in the US any more. No holidays, no layovers, no work aspirations any more.

I was referring to the active shooter problem - to which I feel it is too risky to visit the US.

Re: What I learned getting acquired by Google

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Hospitality is a fundamental virtue. Skimping out on food is maybe the fundamental transgression of norms. The anger is subconscious and maybe primal. I was a "contractor" from an in practice body shop consult agency, not an actual contractor. I did every day office work for three years, being part of a normal work group going to every day meetings etc. But I don't think that matters. If you have an actual consultant…

I think we're talking about different things: contractors are paid more than regular employees doing the same thing. And they don't have any benefits the actual employees have. > Also, the pay was somewhat lower. I was fresh out of uni so I didn't know better. What you describe is outsourcing, not contracting.

The body shop and their client call it contracting. If one will follow the mantra of "words mean whatever people use them as" then this is contracting.

Re: What I learned getting acquired by Google

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> but you have to respect the machine that this is a part of. I don't respect the machine. I think it reduces innovation across our industry. The story of google acquisitions so often go this way. They start with a lot of promises - "Your product dreams will be so much bigger at Google! All the resources you need! We believe in you!". When they start at google, everyone eventually realises they need to rebuild their…

Don’t a very large majority of companies fail? Is it sadder when they fail post-acquisition rather than pre-acquisition?

I think it’s better for the world that a product is tested in the world than tested in the distorted world of Google politics. If your company can’t get product market fit - fine, maybe it was a bad idea. Time for all the talented people to do something else. But if a product gets killed inside Google for some bizarro Google reasons, well, maybe it was a bad idea or maybe it was a great idea. We have no idea. The effort was simply wasted.

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post #446

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Because Google has no idea how to manage or hire cooks?

Google's first chef Charlie Ayers was hired way back in 1999 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Ayers

And notorious as a bad example in the business world of how to hire cooks? They changed shortly afterwards.

They pretty much were giving away the farm, and if they kept that up they’d be bankrupt - not an incredibly valuable company.

Re: What I learned getting acquired by Google

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Because this [ https://www.reuters.com/article/businesspropicks-us-findlaw-... ]

That’s about 1099s

And temps. And vendors. Anyone who does work that could be considered for the primary company if they got treated that way.

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Because Google has no idea how to manage or hire cooks?

Google managed to hire their first chef in 1999 and manage them directly, I'm sure they can manage a global team of cooks better than anyone else if they wanted to, because of their specific needs and so many global offices to spread the gains through. It's all just a decision they took.

What they did with Ayer’s was so clearly unsustainable (and disproportionate) it’s a classic story in the business world of giving away the farm.

Anyone doing that at scale is going bankrupt quickly. Which is the point.

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That’s about 1099s

And temps. And vendors. Anyone who does work that could be considered for the primary company if they got treated that way.

Nothing in your link suggests that it extends beyond independent contractors.

Re: What I learned getting acquired by Google

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This isn't just google, it's every company with contractors and employees. Microsoft learned the hard way to not treat contractors like employees. https://www.reuters.com/article/businesspropicks-us-findlaw-... Nobody else wants to learn that same lesson.

Ok, but at Arm my red (intern) badge was no more 'demeaning' than my blue (permanent) badge. Not least because they only left my pocket when I needed to open a door... (Colours from memory, I think that's right, they were certainly different anyway.) Point is you can certainly learn not to treat contractors like employees, have badged access, etc., without having such hostility attached to it. Edit: no! Red actually…

Depends on when you interned! Before 2018 you would get a green badge as an intern, 2018 and onwards you got the same blue as everyone else, when they moved all the offices to GDAS.

Contractors (cleaners, catering staff, etc) got yellow ones IIRC

(I interned at ARM in Cambridge 2017 and 2018)

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