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Re: The Cloud Computer

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How can I build something for the Oxide Cloud Computer as a developer? Will there be something to simulate the APIs and so on?

Similar hardware for home labs and for personal computers with open firmware would be great. I'd also love to see servers with hardware which can be upgraded (rather than completely recycled).

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What am I missing here? Hasn't SoftIron been building this exact thing for around 5 years? Heck, they design and manufacture all of the hardware as well. https://softiron.com/hypercloud/ https://softiron.com/blog/run-bmc-why-we-decided-to-build-ou...

Not being familiar with SoftIron but I would imagine there can be more than one company working in a given niche? Why would it be surprising?

The blog says they're the first

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If you've got a family to support and you need to rent or try to own a home you're going to have a tough time with 200k.

I don't know how you're coming to that conclusion. 200k's not going to buy you a large house, but it'll comfortably pay rent/food/savings for a 2-3 bedroom house or apartment for a family of 2-4 in all but the very most expensive parts of the Bay. For mortgages, you'd need to be looking in the cheaper parts of the Bay, but that still means "dense, boring suburb" as opposed to "crime-ridden slum".

They didn't say "Bay Area", they said SV.

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The details would be things such as the requirements associated with the white glove installation process: Size of doorways, weight bearing capacity of floors, electrical service parameters, environmental conditions, etc. e.g. Does it actually handle electrical voltage fluctuations of +/- 1V, or whatever is advertised? The guaranteed parameters of a fully set up machine: Minimum performance metrics, software compatib…

Ah yeah, so the "facilities" section of https://oxide.computer/product/specifications has some of these things, probably the closest we have to publicly publishing that in a general sense.

Yes I understand, but will your included service actually verify that everything is set up correctly, meets advertised parameters, and sign off on it? (Such that the customer can start using it immediately afterwards.)

Or does the customer need to take on some risk and hazard associated with installation, configuration, initial boot up, etc.?

e.g. If someone buys with the intention of using it up to X FLOPS, and the machine only delivers Y FLOPS once it's all said and done, what happens?

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Assuming interchangeable human resources there are basically 2 options, either the company is extracting more value from everyone than the salaries they pay, in that case paying fairly would eat into the company's bottom line. Poor CXOs would not turn extra profits by keeping less fortunate employees on low salaries but just the regular one. Or the highest paid employees are not pulling their weight and their salarie…

Can you explain more about your view that it should not be the norm to provide equal compensation for equal work?

It was a bad edit, it (should not be controversial | should be the norm) to expect equal compensation for equal work.

In slightly more detail

https://elsajohansson.wordpress.com/2017/09/13/what-does-a-w...

https://elsajohansson.wordpress.com/2022/09/16/the-wage-gap-...

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I'd like to add that their open source code is also EXTREMELY high quality. If you're an embedded developer go take a look at Hubris and Humility. I ended up using those to GREAT effect for this custom one-off aerospace device and it was a fantastic experience to integrate with. Definitely a change from what I was used to that took a bit of getting used to.

Thought I had heard the cringiest random names for an oss project, and then...

Re: The Cloud Computer

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How can I build something for the Oxide Cloud Computer as a developer? Will there be something to simulate the APIs and so on? Similar hardware for home labs and for personal computers with open firmware would be great. I'd also love to see servers with hardware which can be upgraded (rather than completely recycled).

We publish an OpenAPI spec for the API. The console and CLI tools are built on top of this. We have a mock server for the console to test against, you’d have to adapt that if you wanted to go that route, but you could.

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This is actually a pretty big deal. They sell servers, but as a finished product. Not as a cobbled together mess of third party stuff where the vendor keeps shrugging if there is an integration problem. They integrated it. It comes with all the features they expect you to want if you wanted to build your own cloud. Also, they wrote the software. And it's all open source. So no "sorry but the third party vendor droppe…

100%. I’m actually extremely impressed. I want one. I haven’t worked in a data center in years, but I’d be tempted to do it again just to get my hands on one.

I wish they’d sell a tabletop version for hobbyists, but realize this is probably a distraction. But… the problem with a lot of these systems (including the old Sun boxes and things like ibm mainframes and the AS/400) is that they sound cool but there’s no real way for the typical new developer to “get into them” for fun and, as a result, you lose the chance for some developer selling it to their company based on his experience with the things.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Congrats, Bryan and team! I've been following your evolution for a while now. People might just look at it and say "It's just a rack of CPUs and storage." And I can only imagine just how much you might be tempted to throttle them (or at least flame them in online posts). Over the decades the separation between "software" people and "hardware" people has grown. With "cloud" people have grown comfortable papering over…

> People might just look at it and say "It's just a rack of CPUs and storage." And I can only imagine just how much you might be tempted to throttle them

Lol. Bro.

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Oxide is the definition of vendor lock in. All of their hardware is unique... even down to the choice of fans. Fan burns out? Now you've got to buy another one... from them. One of the amazing shifts in the last 20 years was realizing that commodity hardware, when deployed correctly, could do the job.

If their SW and FW source code is MPL 2.0, that's good enough to limit the extent of vendor lock-in. Sure, it would take time to take over maintenance of that code and then add support for different HW and so on, but there can be a cottage industry of consultancies that can help if ever Oxide vendor lock-in or bankruptcy becomes a problem.

No it isn't good enough. This is a hardware play because you could theoretically take that software and run it on whatever hardware you want. You're not going with this business because of their open source software though, you're going with it because they are making innovative hardware.

If you're buying millions of this stuff, what says that you're going to get support for it in 5 years. Who knows... maybe Cisco wakes up and gives them an offer they can't refuse and then shuts down the company.

By the way, people endlessly gripe about Google deprecating things and that's just software...

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