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California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by taneq »

ehsankia wrote: post #580
pbarnes_1 wrote: post #521

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I've been in this situation, and it's something that seems to get tweaked every week. They definitely pushed the "aggressive" lever up a little over the last month. I think it's one of those cases where it's sort of obvious it can calculate trajectories and speeds much better than a human, so it's a safe manoeuvre in theory, but it "feels" bad as a passenger. Same thing for where it can see that it can squeeze throug…

It's a lose lose situation. I've been reading conversation about self driving cars for years and what you always heard back in the days is that they were way too conservative on these kinds of turns and blocked traffic. Hell even in this very thread people are saying that about Cruise. Yet when they make it more aggressive, people feel unsafe. As you say, this is something they are constantly tweaking to find the per…

People have an interesting “trust curve” regarding automation. At first they’ll be very suspicious and critical of it and any issues they have will be blamed on it. Then some point later when they’re used to the system, this attitude will suddenly flip around and they’ll start regarding the system as infallible. Sounds like this might be happening here.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by bparsons »

Lonestar1440 wrote: post #120

From my perspective as a person who lives in San Francisco and also drives a LOT (10-20k miles per year, and many small drives within the city): Cruise cars do not perform acceptably. They manage to avoid collisions by driving extremely conservatively, but the way they traverse, say, a left turn against traffic is absurd. They slow everyone down, including emergency vehicles and public transit, by performing far belo…

I think it was the covering up of an extremely serious accident that got their permit yanked.

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Post by Obscurity4340 »

yterdy wrote: post #588
mike_d wrote: post #540

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Waymo is amazing, knowing some of the stuff they do behind the scenes to ensure safety - I would feel safer riding in a Waymo than driving myself. My biggest fear has always been that Cruise or Tesla would shit the bed so bad we don't get any self-driving, either because of regulatory constraints or ruining the public perception of them.

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Post by londons_explore »

notatoad wrote: post #121
eep_social wrote: post #82

But not Waymo. Which confirms all my personal biases. More seriously, the statement cites four specific clauses that caused the permit to be suspended. The second one seems really interesting as it implies that there was a lie of omission where the others are more or less what I’d expect regarding safety risks: > Today’s suspensions are based on the following: > 13 CCR §228.20 (b) (6) – Based upon the performance of…

yeah, they seem to be pretty clearly saying Cruise tried to cover something up here. i'd love to know more about that.

See the pinned comment at the top. Seems they showed an official only half the video of what happened, and neglected to show the other half which showed the stopped vehicle start moving again with the victim still under the car.

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Post by notatoad »

londons_explore wrote: post #597
minwcnt5 wrote: post #395

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Waymos do stop between fares. They've gotten grief from people who don't like them parked in front of their house.

Kinda surprised they stop... When you have a self-driving system that costs $200k+, you want to keep it running and collecting data as much as possible - passenger or no passenger. The added tyre wear is going to be tiny compared to the interest payments on all that expensive hardware and engineers salaries.

probably more about stretching their battery than anything else. if it roams around between trips it's going to have fewer customers per charge cycle.

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Post by acchow »

hiidrew wrote: post #318
fragmede wrote: post #282

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It is limited to San Francisco, rather than the whole of California, but they do just drive around the city, especially after 9pm. As a rider, the future is here. Instead of just checking Uber and Lyft for prices to get somewhere, now I check the Cruise and Waymo app for prices too. (Well, not Cruise anymore.) But yes, it's a thing . I call a car, sometimes it doesn't have a driver, and it takes me to where I need to…

How does the price of these compare to Uber/Lyft?

I'm in FiDi right now (weekday afternoon). A Waymo ride to Dolores Park is $18. UberX is $17. Lyft is $19.85.

I find that late night you often will not be able to get an Uber. I think drivers have been ceding ground to Waymo's obvious night driving superiority.

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Post by notatoad »

londons_explore wrote: post #614
notatoad wrote: post #121

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yeah, they seem to be pretty clearly saying Cruise tried to cover something up here. i'd love to know more about that.

See the pinned comment at the top. Seems they showed an official only half the video of what happened, and neglected to show the other half which showed the stopped vehicle start moving again with the victim still under the car.

thanks...

yeah, that's a pretty blatantly terrible cover up, definitely not the sort of behaviour you'd want from a company who's allowed to test experimental tech on public roads.

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Post by pcwalton »

yterdy wrote: post #588
mike_d wrote: post #540

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Waymo is amazing, knowing some of the stuff they do behind the scenes to ensure safety - I would feel safer riding in a Waymo than driving myself. My biggest fear has always been that Cruise or Tesla would shit the bed so bad we don't get any self-driving, either because of regulatory constraints or ruining the public perception of them.

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