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We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by whimsicalism »

mrits wrote: post #146
layer8 wrote: post #113

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This is funny, because I find it much less cumbersome to type a few search terms into a search engine and explore the links it spits out.

It depends on the subject but search engines are on the decline. With so many fake website written by AI I can only see it get worse. The most extreme I can think of is when I want to find when a show comes out and I have to read 10 paragraphs from 5 different sites to realize no one knows.

agreed on that antipattern although fwiw chatgpt is unlikely to know the answer for questions like these either.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by whimsicalism »

JTon wrote: post #79
nunobrito wrote: post #36

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It already replaced search engines. So much easier to write the question and explore the answers until it is solved.

Agreed except ChatGPT (3.5 at least, haven't tried 4) is unable to provide primary sources for its results. At least when I tried, it just provided hallucinated urls

i love gpt-4 and i find chatgpt useless. so there is a big difference

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Post by johnyzee »

tombert wrote: post #560
RivieraKid wrote: post #466

I went from being worried to thinking it won't replace me anytime soon after using GPT4 for a while and now I'm back to being worried. Because the pace of development is intense. I would love to be financially independent and watch this with excitement and perhaps take on risky and fun projects. Now I'm thinking - how do I double or triple my income so that I reach financial independence in 3 years instead of 10 year…

I'm not convinced that this pace will continue. We're seeing a lot of really cool, rapid evolution of this tech in a short amount of time, but I do think we'll hit a soft ceiling in the not too distant future as well. If you look at something like smartphones, for example. Smartphones, from my perspective, got drastically better and better from about ~2006-2015 or so. They were rapidly improving cameras and battery l…

> I do think we'll hit a soft ceiling in the not too distant future ... it's going to plateau and progress will become substantially more gradual.

I don't think this will age well.

It's a matter of simple compute power to advance from realistic text/token prediction, to realistic synthesis of stuff like human (or animal) body movement, for all kinds of situations, including realistic facial/body language, moods, and so on. Of course perfect voice synthesis. Coupled with good enough robotics, you can see where I'm going with this, and that's only because my imagination is limited to sci-fi movie tropes. I think this is going to be wilder than we can imagine, while still just copying training sets.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by dsp_person »

modeless wrote: post #459

Voice has the potential to be awesome. This demo is really underwhelming to me because of the multi-second latency between the query and response, just like every other lame voice assistant. It doesn't have to be this way! I have a local demo using Llama 2 that responds in about half a second and it feels like talking to an actual person instead of like Siri or something. I really should package it up so people can t…

Also curious to hear about your setup. Using whisper too? When I was experimenting with it there was still a lot of annoyance about hallucinations and I was hard coding some "if last phrase is 'thanks for watching', ignore last phrase"

I was just googling a bit to see what's out there now for whisper/llama combos and came across this: https://github.com/yacineMTB/talk

There's a demo linked on the github page that seems relatively fast at responding conversationally, but still maybe 1-2 seconds at times. Impressive it's entirely offline.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by SomethingNew2 »

There are a lot of comments attempting to rationalize the value add or differentiation of humans synthesizing information and communicating it to others vs an llm based ai doing something similar. The fact that it’s so difficult to find a compelling difference is insightful in itself.

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Post by jader201 »

TheRoque wrote: post #596
jader201 wrote: post #565

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This feels fairly naive, ignoring how much progress has happened over the (short) span of one year. This doesn't sound like that tough of a gap to close in another year (again, projecting based off recent progress).

The opposite is fairly naive. Software development is not only dumping tokens into a text file. To have a significant impact on the market, it should do much, much, much more: compile and test code, automatically assess the quality of what its done, be aware of the current design trends (if in UI/UX), ideally innovate, it should also be able to run a debugger, inspect all the variables, and deduce from there how it g…

Yeah, I definitely am not on team “We’re Doomed”, but I also can’t say definitively that I’m on team “We’re Fine” either.

I think there are merits to both arguments, and I think it’s possible that we’ll see things move towards either direction in the next 1/5/10 years.

My point is, I don’t think we can rule out the possibility of some jobs being at risk within the next 1/5/10 years.

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Post by WendyTheWillow »

jader201 wrote: post #565
WendyTheWillow wrote: post #516

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I don’t think any of this materially changes job outlook for software development over the next decade. I use ChatGPT daily for school, and used Copilot daily for software development; it gets a lot wrong a lot of the time, and can’t retain necessary context that is critical for being useful long term. I can’t even get it to consume an entire chapter at once to generate notes or flashcards yet. It may slightly change…

This feels fairly naive, ignoring how much progress has happened over the (short) span of one year. This doesn't sound like that tough of a gap to close in another year (again, projecting based off recent progress).

What actually was the innovation in LLMs that produced the kind of AI we're seeing now? Is that innovation ongoing or did it happen, and now we're seeing the various optimizations of that innovation?

Is voice and image integration with ChatGPT a whole new capability of LLMs or is the "product" here a clean and intuitive interface through which to use the already existent technology?

The difference between GPT 3, 3.5, and 4 is substantially smaller than the difference between GPT 2 and GPT 3, and Sam Altman has directly said there are no plans for a GPT 5.

I don't think progress is linear here. Rather, it seems more likely that we made the leap about a year or so ago, and are currently in the process of applying that leap in many different ways. But the leap happened, and there isn't seemingly another one coming.

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Post by WendyTheWillow »

fzzzy wrote: post #573
WendyTheWillow wrote: post #516

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I don’t think any of this materially changes job outlook for software development over the next decade. I use ChatGPT daily for school, and used Copilot daily for software development; it gets a lot wrong a lot of the time, and can’t retain necessary context that is critical for being useful long term. I can’t even get it to consume an entire chapter at once to generate notes or flashcards yet. It may slightly change…

You could easily write a 20 line script to generate notes and flashcards. I know because I have.

Yep, and I could have done that 5 years ago. My point is that I run into problems on a daily basis that the current ChatGPT is not capable of handling on its own, without meaningful interaction with me, a software engineer.

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Post by simonh »

visarga wrote: post #503
phkahler wrote: post #202

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>> the human brain expresses intentionality originating from inner states and future expectations How is this different from and/or the same as the concept of "attention" as used in transformers?

I believe we are contextual language models as well, we rely 99% on chaining ideas and words and 1% on our own inspiration. Coming up with a truly original useful idea can be a once in a lifetime event. Everything else has been said and done before.

In a sense yes, but the things you do and say are not prompted by already expressed statements or commands. You interpret your environment to infer needs, plan for future contingencies, identify objectives, plan actions to achieve them, etc. they are not randomly picked from a library, but generated and tailored to your actual circumstances.

It’s when LLMs start asking the questions rather than answering them that things will get interesting.

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Post by simonh »

visarga wrote: post #503
phkahler wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> the human brain expresses intentionality originating from inner states and future expectations How is this different from and/or the same as the concept of "attention" as used in transformers?

I believe we are contextual language models as well, we rely 99% on chaining ideas and words and 1% on our own inspiration. Coming up with a truly original useful idea can be a once in a lifetime event. Everything else has been said and done before.

In a sense yes, but the things you do and say are not prompted by already expressed statements or commands. You interpret your environment to infer needs, plan for future contingencies, identify objectives, plan actions to achieve them, etc. they are not randomly picked from a library, but generated and tailored to your actual circumstances.

It’s when AIs start asking the questions rather than answering them that things will get interesting.

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