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Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by mvdtnz »

organsnyder wrote: post #60
isykt wrote: post #48

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> It's because the Reddit users that are actually bothered by this are unmonetizable and everyone knows it. Yes, this is exactly the same as the Netflix account sharing controversy. People who aren’t generating the company any profit are shouting the loudest. I don’t think there’s much of a loss here. The era of free money was always going to end and now it’s over.

But those people are also generating a large amount of the content that is being used to monetize users.

I keep seeing people make this claim and frankly I don't buy it. While I think it's true that a minority of users produce a majority of the content, I don't think it's necessarily the people on third party apps. I think it's total speculation that there's a large overlap.

My own speculation is that a majority of the content is produced by people using Reddit in a browser on a laptop/desktop machine. It's much faster and easier to produce content in this mode.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

mistercheph wrote: post #569
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #445

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> No, no. You lead with the benefits to the user. This isn't Github Seriously. Have a default server (or set of defaults) newbies dump into after completing a simple sign-up flow. Then let them move it as they benefit from the product and gain an incentive to learn about it. Reddit is up in arms about API pricing and mods. Do you think the average Reddit user would have signed up if they had to first jump through hoo…

This is not about an IPO or infinite user growth potential in the next quarter. If we want to build a better world, some people must be left behind.

> If we want to build a better world, some people must be left behind.

This has to be parody.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by COGlory »

ihateolives wrote: post #231
beowulfey wrote: post #187

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Try Lemmy.world. Currently the fastest growing Lemmy server. It feels basically like any other social media site, like Hacker News or Reddit. I was using it, and seeing people post from other servers was pretty seamless and felt intuitive. Honestly, I say this all the time but I think people just need to treat federation like it's email. The difference is that the "email threads" are public to all, rather than in you…

As it happens, another big server, Beehaw, just defederated lemmy.world today. So drama has already begun. https://beehaw.org/post/567170

This is a feature. Besides, everyone knows how on reddit, joining one sub can result in auto-bans from other subs. How is this any different?

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Post by drdaeman »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #169
chongli wrote: post #37

I was really skeptical of lemmy [1] when I first heard about it during the blackout. I joined yesterday and it completely changed my mind. Yes, it is going to face some growing pains (see the total user growth in the past few days) [2] in the coming weeks and months but it really has the potential to replace Reddit with a federated system of communities. One that won't be damaged by investors or executives attempting…

Lemmy has the same discoverability and usability problems as Mastodon. Especially for non-technical users, there's too much friction required to find their communities and aggregate them into a single usable feed with a nice client. And that's assuming they can even conceptualize what the fediverse is. I'm a technical user, and I closed join-lemmy.org after ten seconds because it was too many clicks to get to an inte…

I'm a technical user, I've spent last 3 days trying to figure out what should I really do to make a setup that I wouldn't want to nuke in a month (or a year). I'm still at loss how to get this deployed the right way (and not a lazy "install this in 5 minutes, feel the pains forever" way, thanks, my Matrix Synapse server is bad enough).

My current list of grievances:

- No standards of any kind on sharing the same identity, e.g. between Lemmy and Mastodon.

- No support for any distributed multi-master database (I'm currently trying to see if I can hack Lemmy to work with CockroachDB, but I'm probably going to give up).

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Post by omniglottal »

open-paren wrote: post #242
tazjin wrote: post #235

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What's the reason? US culture war stuff?

"It is too big and we can't deal with that many users".

Albeit indistiguishable, trolls should not be consdered equivalent to users.

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Post by PM_me_your_math »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #339
bdowling wrote: post #110

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> why be a moderator for a for-profit company if you aren't being paid? They like the power of being a moderator and smacking down people who break the rules. Usually they also like to bend the rules themselves to push a personal agenda, promoting what they like and squashing what they don’t like. It’s the same motivation people have to serve on HOA boards or elected government positions.

I'd love to see some hard data on your claims because this seems cynical to the point of being inaccurate As the creator and moderator of a 100k sub these are the last things on my mind - and same for the other moderators. The whole point of creating and moderating that was because 13 years ago I thought it was the best place to build a community that I wanted to exist. I have no idea if that's true for the moderator…

How does one quantify that? Reddit moderators have a reputation that they themselves created. I'll tell you what, go ahead an post something (comment or topic) that goes against the prevailing group-think in any reddit sub, and you'll experience it for yourself. Record in a spreadsheet, and you'll have your hard data that supports reddit as cancer. As reddit moved away from free speech, and more towards totalitarian speech control, I honestly couldn't hope for a faster collapse or conflagration of those echo chambers.

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Post by jasode »

Accujack wrote: post #551
jasode wrote: post #487

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>It suffers from the same problem as Mastodon - "Join a server". But which one? [...] USENET had that problem solved. It was federated, but it didn't look federated to the end user. USENET also had the "chose the wrong server" problem. If I chose my ISP (e.g. Verizon) as my USENET entry point, then I would miss out on many newsgroups that Verizon didn't have. Or, Verizon had the newsgroup but had extremely short rete…

This is actually as designed, and is a good thing. It creates the possibility for a business model where subscribers pay for access to a big news spool and lots of groups. Just like USENet. There will be some growing pains, but there will eventually be a continuum of "free" lemmy servers, for pay premium ones, and lemmy servers where the front end is only an app on your phone. And they'll all see the same messages.

>And they'll all see the same messages.

I think you should re-evaluate that assumption:

https://www.google.com/search?q=mastodon+instances+blocks+ga...

https://www.google.com/search?q=mastodon+blocklists

https://www.google.com/search?q=mastodon+blacklists

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments/kw8jht/how_do_i_s...

Also, expand the ">Moderated servers" heading and scroll down through the instances they block:

https://mastodon.social/about#unavailable-content

Why do different Mastodon instances decide on not federating some of the other instances?!? It's because the owners pay money for running their particular server which makes them feel entitled to run it the way they want.

The "pick any server, it doesn't make any difference, you'll see _all_ messages anyway" -- is not realistic given that each fediverse node administrator can exercise their freedom to choose what messages their server accepts.

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Post by _8j50 »

vruiz wrote: post #407
_8j50 wrote: post #205

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Lemmy is a good idea with a terrible name and a misunderstanding of the experience users look for, much like mastodon. For example, I will never join any of these services but I will browse r/All, many lurkers drive traffic and reddit would be almost nothing without r/All which I can't figure out if lemmy has.

Exactly, someone with more time than me please create a nice looking, lurker friendly, read-only aggregator with all the different content in all the different servers/communities. Ideally merging submissions and comments when possible. You would have me immediately as a user and I bet I wouldn’t be the only one. It’s so obvious that I guess someone must have done it and I just haven’t heard about it yet.

Yeah, but for the platform to succeed, there needs to be one /main aggregator site that I can point people to, I don't want to remember random servers.

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Post by Firmwarrior »

tyg13 wrote: post #352
Firmwarrior wrote: post #301

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What tools do they actually need? It seems to me like Reddit mods mostly automatically ban people for participating in subs they don't like. Last time they went on strike en-masse they were upset that Reddit didn't give mods more ability to track and spy on users in an Orwellian fashion I made one comment on an anti-parent hate subreddit to try and explain why I thought they were wrong to automatically hate people fo…

It's sad to see comments like these. It just reminds me that people will so readily take the work of others for granted. The thing about the work mods do is that it's mostly invisible. If mods are doing their job, spam is getting deleted, reports are being serviced, and no one notices a thing. The subreddit seems to be working fine without them! It'd be easy to trick yourself into thinking they provide no utility. Ev…

I want to be charitable here, but honestly, I looked over the list of mod tools someone posted in a sibling comment.. and most of them are just tools to attempt to blacklist people for wrongthink

I'm sure there are some small subs where the mods aren't huge jerks and benefit from usable tools to fight spam and deescalate flame wars, but I think we'll all be a hell of a lot better off with a bunch of unaffiliated or loosely-affiliated topical forums than we are with this current panopticon. The mods will be better off too: A guy moderating his own website will have better tools to combat spam and punish whatever he defines as trolls within his own kingdom.

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Post by _8j50 »

DropInIn wrote: post #547
vruiz wrote: post #407

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Exactly, someone with more time than me please create a nice looking, lurker friendly, read-only aggregator with all the different content in all the different servers/communities. Ideally merging submissions and comments when possible. You would have me immediately as a user and I bet I wouldn’t be the only one. It’s so obvious that I guess someone must have done it and I just haven’t heard about it yet.

So... Sounds like you want what I keep thinking about: Front end that works with feeds from multiple sources, like RSS, and permits comments, posts etc using SSO, with all interactions logged centrally in the SSO account (for later edits deletes etc). Sound about right? Because you me it seems like every provider in that list should be able to make a profit off the data and interactions... With users who want increas…

No SSO, because you're lurking without logging in
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