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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by 93po »

mypalmike wrote: post #609
jancsika wrote: post #148

Translation: luxury vehicles are the future of car sales. Model Y is 2 times as expensive as a Corolla. Plus you can go and find an older Corolla with 100k+ miles on it and pay perhaps $5k cash for it, then drive it for another 50-100k. I don't see people in the service industry picking up a used Tesla, now or in the foreseeable future.

Where I live, $5k for a used Corolla gets you something with over 200k miles and which needs another $5k (at least) to address deferred maintenance.

And leaves you with a car now with $7k.

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Post by ricardobeat »

Fradow wrote: post #483
ricardobeat wrote: post #440

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In Europe, street parking is usually more expensive than buying/renting a spot in a garage.

I don't think you can really generalize that easily. Where I live, street parking with a residential permit is way cheaper than renting a spot in a garage, and I know other big cities have similar schemes.

You’re right, it’s not even the case where I live, had the wrong figures in mind. No delete action now I’m afraid!

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Post by 93po »

symbolicAGI wrote: post #79
7e wrote: post #73

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Then why did Tesla jack up prices so much over the last few years? All part of the plan to gain market share? Tesla inventory is at an all-time high. This seems a demand issue.

Tesla raised prices in order to reduce the time between order and delivery when customer demand got too hot. Raising prices also improved profit margins during a time of rapid capital spending. Now customer demand has cooled with the international economic slowdown, and lowering prices increases the time between order and delivery as more customers are enticed to order.

Also to add, Elon/Tesla is 100% transparent about pricing strategies, and it's exactly this. Other manufacturers obscure this behind dealership models, Tesla does it out in the open.

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Post by cbeach »

fnord77 wrote: post #227
resolutebat wrote: post #173

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If you're in the market, go for a couple of test drives. The competition is mostly regular ICE cars with a battery bolted on, while Teslas are designed from ground up as EVs and it shows throughout in ways big and small. We were originally leaning towards getting a Polestar, but the difference between driving one and a Tesla is night and day.

The Kia EV6 is a ground up EV and is better in every way than the Model Y

I found the EV6 dark and claustrophobic on the inside, and uglier than the Model Y from the rear. Really dislike those weird droopy/saggy lines on the EV6 rear end.

Aside from that, if you want range, the Y beats the EV6, although the EV6 charges faster (theoretically - if you can find a 350 kW charger, and if the rate can be sustained)

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Post by soperj »

pengaru wrote: post #587
soperj wrote: post #569

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Honestly, as someone who bikes all the time, there's very little difference at 50km/h from the amount of sound coming from an EV vs an ICE.

> Honestly, as someone who bikes all the time, there's very little difference at 50km/h from the amount of sound coming from an EV vs an ICE. This is about the acceleration from 0-60 in 3 seconds. Because of how quietly a fast EV can perform this feat, the argument is that it's encouraging bad/antisocial driving behavior in general. When an ICE does that sort of 0-60 time the whole neighborhood hears about it. That a…

you're not silent by the time you hit 60 even if it feels that way in the car. It makes a significant amount of noise at 30mph

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Post by bushbaba »

nekoashide wrote: post #524
innocentoldguy wrote: post #320

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I'm a huge fan of VW, but the ID.4 is pretty gutless compared to any Tesla model. That may appeal to some people, but I like speeding; a lot.

I watched Doug DeMuro latest video on the ID.4 and he says it's not fast. On one hand performance might not be needed for a people mover. On the other hand people expect EV's to have superior performance.

Faster than a CRV, RAV4 etc. market for id4 isn’t looking for 0-60 that’s 3 secs. It’s plenty fast for what it is.

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Post by pengaru »

soperj wrote: post #615
pengaru wrote: post #587

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> Honestly, as someone who bikes all the time, there's very little difference at 50km/h from the amount of sound coming from an EV vs an ICE. This is about the acceleration from 0-60 in 3 seconds. Because of how quietly a fast EV can perform this feat, the argument is that it's encouraging bad/antisocial driving behavior in general. When an ICE does that sort of 0-60 time the whole neighborhood hears about it. That a…

you're not silent by the time you hit 60 even if it feels that way in the car. It makes a significant amount of noise at 30mph

> you're not silent by the time you hit 60 even if it feels that way in the car. It makes a significant amount of noise at 30mph

Everything's relative, and relative to an ICE automobile executing a 3-second 0-60 time, an EV doing the same is silent.

Silent enough to make the driver far more likely to do it and convince themselves they're doing it without being antisocial.

But at this point you're just willfully ignoring the correctness of that statement and I'm basically talking to a piece of sheetrock.

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Post by 3vidence »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #556
3vidence wrote: post #532

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In the market for a car here in Canada. Really loved the idea of an electric car / plug in hybrid but it feels like EVs are just not adequately designed for Canada. The main issues are (A) not enough charging infrastructure (fixable) and (B) poor battery performance in cold weather. I think the cold weather thing could be fixable but from my perspective it seems like EVs are designed with California in mind so there…

We went for a Model Y. The heat pump is way more efficient in the winter than resistive heating. Combine that with starting out at room temperature because it's garaged, and we see little winter range loss. We never have charging issues, and we've gone to rural Saskatchewan, tourist Quebec and all parts in between. The trans-Canada has great supercharger coverage, rural Saskatchewan has welders you can unplug and tou…

Not really going to argue your points (they seem well researched!), however I think for most consumers there's still that last level of "thinking" required to feel comfortable having an EV as a primary vehicle.

Including as you mentioned having a heated garage compared to people such as myself who have to rely on street parking which can comprise both the battery distance and the ability to consistently charge.

Lastly I do think there's a catagory of people who take pride in figuring out how to make systems work for them specifically (in this case EVs in Canada). I myself am that way about many things in my life but when it comes to my vehicle i just want it to work.

It's good to know that your experience is working though and hope for EV coverage to expand in the future.

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Post by hindsightbias »

Retric wrote: post #241
hindsightbias wrote: post #201

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“Tesla not only beat all US luxury automakers on car sales for 2022 as a whole, but also beat them by a ridiculous margin. BMW was the former champ, and while its sales dropped by over 5% year over year, Tesla's sales grew by more than a whopping 40%.” https://insideevs.com/news/652873/tesla-tops-bmw-us-luxury-c... If you’re pummeling Toyota with a luxy model, the rest are just fluff.

Tesla isn’t a luxury brand. EV batteries introduce a price premium but the Model 3 is targeting Hyundai buyers not BMW buyers. Just look at the Ionic 5 price point.

The industry disagrees with you

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42938734/tesla-best-selli... https://www.kbb.com/car-news/tesla-is-americas-best-selling-... https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-y/

I don’t see Hyundais in Palo Alto. I see Teslas. Perhaps you consider valley middle class.

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