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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by JeremyNT »

bparsons wrote: post #391

This article contains stats that are pretty shocking and contrary to the overwhelming narrative coming out of the SF tech community. https://missionlocal.org/2023/04/bob-lee-killing-arrest-made... The murder rate in San Francisco is preposterously low.

SF is safer than many of its peers, but some people seem to really want to paint the city as a failure. "Rampant crime" is one obvious way to do that. Over time the narrative leaks into the broader consciousness.

Chicago deals with the same.

I feel pretty confident that some of this is astroturfing from people with political ideologies trying to score points on blue states, but it seems to be quite effective however it is accomplished. People can be quick to scare, and appeals to their sense of personal safety are quite powerful.

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Post by dmode »

acchow wrote: post #470
dmode wrote: post #323

Am I the only one who does NOT feel unsafe in SF at all ? I mean, I choose not to walk in TL and SOMA at night. But why would anyone feel unsafe in North Beach, Marina, Russian Hill, Richmond, Sunset, GG park, Lower Haight, Valencia etc. I have spent many nights walking in Valencia and took Uber home at 2am. Doesn't feel remotely unsafe.

I imagine SF feels probably fine coming from another American city. But if you moved here from Seoul, it would be terrifying

100% agree with you. Asian cities feel much much safer. But there is a lot more context and history behind why it is.

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Post by uhandHn »

mztwo wrote: post #22

As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

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Post by dekhn »

el_benhameen wrote: post #431
dmode wrote: post #323

Am I the only one who does NOT feel unsafe in SF at all ? I mean, I choose not to walk in TL and SOMA at night. But why would anyone feel unsafe in North Beach, Marina, Russian Hill, Richmond, Sunset, GG park, Lower Haight, Valencia etc. I have spent many nights walking in Valencia and took Uber home at 2am. Doesn't feel remotely unsafe.

I don’t live in SF, but I live nearby and take my kids there for outings pretty frequently. The news reports and anecdotes have made me a little wary of these outings, but our actual experiences never have. I don’t doubt that others have very different, equally valid experiences of the city, and I do hate to see the abject misery that’s on full display in some neighborhoods. But I’ve never felt unsafe there in the 30…

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hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #468
asynchronous wrote: post #211

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I don’t understand why it can’t be both: SF is degenerating when it comes to random crime AND this murder wasn’t by some random thug. I remember reading blog after blog on HN about people moving out of SF specifically for what the city had become.

The issue is not that "it can't be both". I personally think SF does have a serious crime problem that is not being properly addressed. But all the comments, tweets, etc immediately came out blaming SF government and SF's general crime problem specifically for Bob Lee's death. Like they couldn't just wait a teeny bit before forming an opinion after more facts were known? Especially from the crowd that prides itself o…

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clint wrote: post #113
kaycebasques wrote: post #24

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He is not their man yet. Innocent until proven guilty. The word "alleged" is important here. In Journalism 101 they teach you to be very careful when talking about suspected criminals. You don't want to portray someone as guilty until that has been proven in court.

They literally have video of the dude stabbing him

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Post by xyzelement »

P_I_Staker wrote: post #567
virgildotcodes wrote: post #553

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The linked article specifically shows that violent crime in SF is at an all time low, and lower than most other comparably sized cities.

Didn't SF used to be freaking scary prior to blowing up? I've heard people talk about it like they do Miami, Baltimore, Detroit, ect. An undesirable place that washed up people ended up, riddled with crime and violence. I think I might be getting the story wrong, but I recall hearing there used to be much more crime.

I don't understand why Miami is ln your list. It seems clean and thriving.

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Post by ipaddr »

danso wrote: post #64

People were so quick to assume the nature of the crime even when no info about a possible suspect had been publicly released. Check the quote tweets to Bob's 2019 tweet about "recognize that your black friends face challenges you don’t" https://www.twitter.com/crazybob/status/1181668744247930880/...

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Post by AlgorithmicTime »

bialpio wrote: post #581
sowbug wrote: post #450

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Arrests sure better be public record in a free country.

There's also presumption of innocence so publishing personal info of someone not convicted is akin to doxxing to me. Edit: typos.

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Post by ToDougie »

wpietri wrote: post #492
JPKab wrote: post #460

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"Y'all colonized the poorest parts of the city and gave the poorest folks nowhere to go" 1.) I grew up in the rural South, and was literally harassed for most of my career for saying "y'all" and "folks" but glad to see it's trendy to speak that way amongst the exact kind of people who used to assume I was ignorant for speaking that way. 2.) Your statement could just as easily be, on a different day: "Y'all abandoned…

> Between "white flight" and "colonizer/gentrifier", you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. So you think that "flee the black people" and "drive the black people out" are the only two options here? There are more things, Horatio.

Such as...?
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