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I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by newaccount74 »

atomicUpdate wrote: post #574
newaccount74 wrote: post #524

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Everyone gets as much as they need, everyone contributes as much as they can.

Why would anyone contribute more than is required to get what they need, if they’ll never see any benefit beyond that? I prefer a system where people that work harder get more so they can have what they want, rather than just the bare minimum to survive (which is presumably what is meant by “what they need”).

Because it is better for society. If people's needs are met, they are less likely to stick a knife in your back and take your belongings.

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Post by oezi »

Kapura wrote: post #565
tharne wrote: post #530

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> Wealth distribution has been a challenge since we've moved away from spending our day solely focused on gathering food / farming. Have you ever considered that this may be due to the fact that our brains evolved to exist in a world where our day is largely focused on gathering food? We're not well-equipped to exist in other modes.

[citation needed] primates don't spend the majority of their day gathering food; there's not reason to believe early humans were different.

It certainly depends much on the regional setting. Humans pushed to the boundaries of landscapes which support their existence. If you are a hunter gatherer in fertile jungle setting you might make do with 2 or 3h per day of hunting or gathering. If you live further north or south or in more arid regions that might take more time.

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Post by surgical_fire »

saulpw wrote: post #508
_fat_santa wrote: post #491

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By this logic, Priya (the subject of the authors post) would not loose her job but rather just become more productive at her job. And I think that's the key to this whole "GPT4 is taking our jobs argument" that people need to understand, GPT is a bit like Autopilot in a Tesla, it can do the work for you but you still need a trained person there to guide it. Folks like Priya will not loose their jobs IMO, the company…

With GPT-4, Priya can do the work of 10 data curators in the same amount of time! She won't lose her job, they can afford to pay her more, because they won't need to pay 9 of her colleagues. Unless of course, one of her more experienced, connected, upper caste colleagues gets the 10x job instead.

Bulldozers also can do the work of 10 dudes with shovels.

Accounting clerks with excel can do the job of 10 accounting clerks with pen and paper.

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Post by jerojero »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #479
HyperSane wrote: post #450

The fact that so many people fear loss of income as a result of better AI is a real indictment of our economic system. A better system that more fairly distributed economic productivity would make people welcome better AI because they could be confident it would make everyone wealthier instead of just a few people rich enough to be Goa'uld.

I mean I think that's with every system a problem. Not just ours. Wealth distribution has been a challenge since we've moved away from spending our day solely focused on gathering food / farming. Every shock to our current system will take time to adjust.

I wonder if people in Norway are as worried as people in America.

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Post by Analemma_ »

atomicUpdate wrote: post #574
newaccount74 wrote: post #524

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone gets as much as they need, everyone contributes as much as they can.

Why would anyone contribute more than is required to get what they need, if they’ll never see any benefit beyond that? I prefer a system where people that work harder get more so they can have what they want, rather than just the bare minimum to survive (which is presumably what is meant by “what they need”).

> I prefer a system where people that work harder get more so they can have what they want

Cool. When can we expect to have that?

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

HyperSane wrote: post #450

The fact that so many people fear loss of income as a result of better AI is a real indictment of our economic system. A better system that more fairly distributed economic productivity would make people welcome better AI because they could be confident it would make everyone wealthier instead of just a few people rich enough to be Goa'uld.

Personally as a noob programmer, I feel like a superhuman because of GPT-4. Feel like my creativity has been unleashed and I can compete with the big boys.

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Post by ericbarrett »

surgical_fire wrote: post #156

Funny thing - I've been using ChatGPT as a programming assistant. My experience with it is that the more knowledgeable I am at the domain, the more useful it is. It often generates code that won't compile or won't run correctly, but that sort of goes in the correct direction, enough that I can spot the blunders and refine my questions. Quite often I even learn a few new things when using it to explore libraries and f…

AI is a ratchet. It doesn't die, or retire, or change careers. Once it's good at something, it stays good. Once it gets better at something, it stays better. (If not, the model is disposed of without pity or remorse.) Right now, it may make you better at your job. But your very use of it is training it to do your job.

It seems to me that if AI is currently helpful to you, it is likely to eventually replace you. And me, and perhaps most skilled jobs as they exist today. It won't be instant, but if you are early- or mid-career, take it very seriously.

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Post by trashface »

HyperSane wrote: post #450

The fact that so many people fear loss of income as a result of better AI is a real indictment of our economic system. A better system that more fairly distributed economic productivity would make people welcome better AI because they could be confident it would make everyone wealthier instead of just a few people rich enough to be Goa'uld.

Loss of income kind of understates the issue I think. I'm an already long term unemployed programmer, and I've been playing around with copilot. It makes me think I'll never have income again from that trade, and possibly no other related field.

But otherwise agree, bad economic system is bad.

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Post by vages »

jerojero wrote: post #614
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean I think that's with every system a problem. Not just ours. Wealth distribution has been a challenge since we've moved away from spending our day solely focused on gathering food / farming. Every shock to our current system will take time to adjust.

I wonder if people in Norway are as worried as people in America.

Norwegian here. Not as worried, but “no man is an island”. If the consequences are really bad, it’s hard for any country to escape them.

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Post by jtms »

frozenfoxx wrote: post #593
atomicUpdate wrote: post #574

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Why would anyone contribute more than is required to get what they need, if they’ll never see any benefit beyond that? I prefer a system where people that work harder get more so they can have what they want, rather than just the bare minimum to survive (which is presumably what is meant by “what they need”).

Ask anyone that contributes to open source. Some of us like to make the world a better place.

yeah but plenty of people contribute to open source because it leads to being able to make a good, solid living.
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