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If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed

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kodah wrote: post #170
Xelynega wrote: post #49

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They're not in court for the emergency library. They're in court for the 1-1 CDL lending they did. I'm tired of seeing this "well IA shouldn't have done the emergency library" line. Do you honestly believe the only reason publishers went after IA is the emergency library? I think this would have happened eventually, so pointing to the emergency library does nothing but tell everyone that you were right all along. The…

Frankly, this isn't out of character for the IA. They want to be treated as a global system of record, but then started hostile initiatives like ignoring robots.txt. They've somewhat rectified this now, but their blog post about brazenly doing this is still up. It's good insight to how they think about themselves. They want protection but none of the regulation that will come with it. The proof of their character has…

Ignoring robots.txt is the only way to be a "system of record". Otherwise you don't record what actual humans see.

Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed

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kodah wrote: post #339
gkbrk wrote: post #290

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> hostile initiatives like ignoring robots.txt Why would an organization with the goal of being a digital "library" care about robots.txt? Would you expect public and private libraries to discard arbitrary books of a publisher from their collection because the author put a file called libraries.txt on their website?

If your public library found your journal laying on the floor would you expect them to put it on their shelf, even if you had a message inside the cover that said "not for reproduction"? Would they eschew blame if you'd shared this journal with friends? The answer is no. You wouldn't. Some people put things on the internet but don't want them slurped up by some mindless machine, and some people post both public conte…

The is no mindles machine, only computers automating work for humans. If you don't want things on the public web then noone is forcing you to put them there. Once you put things online accessible to anyone then things will get archived and shared. Deal with it.

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modriano wrote: post #412
chelical wrote: post #394

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The fundamental problem of intellectual property is that it protects the interests of large corporations far more than those of small creators. IP only matters if you have the resources to defend it in court or if your content isn't worth the effort to steal.

That sounds more like an implementation/enforcement problem than of the concept of IP. If [ 1) disputes were decided on the merits and 2) costs of dispute resolution were 2.a) deferred until decision-time, 2.b) born by the decided-against party, and 2.c) made the decided-for party whole and then some ], I bet either A) an industry would spring up to identify wronged creators and fund defenses of their IP, or B) indus…

Any system of IP will inevitably lead to some entities accumulating a disproportionate share of IP and abusing its enforcement against everyone else.
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